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Diana,

We will pray for Derek and your family.  I hope all goes smooth and look
forward to hear how things went.

Good luck
Robyn J.

>
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I am also guilty!!!  I have a few more pictures to get out to the last 10
or so people on the list.  My pile is almost ready, I just need to address
and get a few more photos remade but I have been absolutely swamped.  I
have not forgotten but I am just slow.  we are in the final stages of
remodeling the house we bought and moving next week, even though it is not
completely done.  WE want to be moved before Brenna goes to surgery (in 3
weeks) so I am scrambling!  Arrggghh!  I will do this in the (hopefully
near) future - and the new people too!

Hugs
Robyn J
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I agree, what a doll!

Robyn
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hello
yes i too have not sent out pics. OOOOOPs

  But i do really love the ones sent to me.  Please be patient with me!!!  i
am getting copies done soon and should have them in the mail in a couple o
weeks...
Thank you for sending out the complete address list...

Congrats on everybodys sucessful surgeries!!!

you all continue to be in my thoughts and prayers.

PS  I am now the proud owner of a 1995 Honda accord  with no scrapes bruises
or bumps... now that all is settled with the car I can concentrate on more
important things!  (My little civic met a most untimely demise on a wet
slippery road in the country a couple of weeks ago.  No injuries, just more
car insurance  Yikes)
Peace & Luv!
Jenny in Georgia!
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Glad to hear Sarah is home from her hand surgery.  She didn't have to stay
in the hospital????  Is this common for hand surgeries?????  Just wondering
as we are getting geared up for Carmen's first soon!  Take care and hope
Sarah is doing well.

Robin

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> From: Belinda Vicars <NephiRose@AOL.COM>
> To: APERT@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
> Subject: Sarah V.'s surgery
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 11:27 PM
>
> Sarah V. and I just got back from Primary Children's (Utah) outpatient
> surgery.  She had her pinkie and index finger released on her right hand.
 Her
> left hand was already done when she was about four months old.  This time
I
> went to a different doctor and I am pleased with him.  He wanted to do
> bilateral release but ran out of time and worried about Sarah being under
> anethesia too long so he settled for one hand this time.  We were there
from
> 7am till 7pm.  Whew...long recovery because Sarah kept vomiting from the
> anethesia.  Glad to be home. (Smile)  Glad she could have the surgery
even
> though she had ear infection.  Glad it's over with.
>
> Cesar is such a cutie.  I would LOVE to adopt him as he and Sarah would
only
> be 2 days apart in age.  Alas, our resourses are woefully scarce now.  I
hope
> a family will adopt him soon.
>
> I saw on the list that I neglected to send the Ize family a picture of
Sarah
> V.  Sorry about that, I will get one out as soon as I can.  If there are
any
> other families that have not received a picture of my girl, let me know.
I'll
> send you one.
>
> Thanks, you-all, for sharing a part of yourself on this list serv.  On
some
> days, this is bout all that gets me through sane, heh.  Goodnight.
>
> Belinda
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Dear Friends:

Seth and I enjoyed getting to know the Amerman's, Bailey's and Tingley's.
Judy and Laurie have already given you the details, so I'll just add that I
look forward to doing it again next year.  Watching the children interact
was fun.   Taylor, Nick and Seth seemed to really enjoy each others
company.  They played hard and late.  Seth came home exhausted.  Jacob had
a great time trying to keep up with the older children.  Caroline and
Jordan were the best natured babies, they didn't cry or fuss.  However,
they did get plenty of attention, so that may have been why they were so
happy.

Thank you Judy and Laurie for making it happen.  You couldn't have picked a
more child friendly spot.  The feel of camping out with all the comforts of
home.  A great time was had by all.

Hope more families can join us next year.

Warmly, Dori

Dori A. Jefferson
djeff@midwest.net
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Hello everyone.  We've encountered a problem here that had me in tears the
other night.  EvaJessie's suture line (where the port for the tissue
expander was put in) still hasn't healed from her June 10 surgery.  I
discovered this under a mass of matted hair and scab the other day.  All the
plastic surgeons associated witht he Children's hosp here are away on
vacation, and the only person available is a doc who just wrote his exams.
He put her on 10 days of keflex and that is when the trouble began.  you'd
think that a kid who can sit still and be so cooperative for an injection
would take meds no problem.  But we had a right royal battle over the first
dose; I ended up getting so bent that I finally held her down while she was
screaming and crying and administered it by oral syringe.  Then I sent her
off to bed and went out for a drive.  I didn't get far because I was crying
so hard I had to stop the car.

It is still a battle over taking this stuff.  I swear  I would stand on my
head and spit nickles if I could to get her to take these.  i am just about
worn out over this.

Any tricks of the trade would be welcomed.
Exasperated and tired in Calgary
pat and EvaJessie
email to: bluenose@telusplanet.net
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It's never too late to have a happy childhood.  Tom Robbins (Still Life With
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   Getting meds into kids can be a royal pain.  My oldest was
constantly on some antibiotic or other.  First, I'd suggest that you
taste the stuff yourself.  If it's nasty, call the doc for a new
scrip -- no point fighting when there are so many different
antibiotics out there.  Second, find out if it comes in a chewable
form (get the pharmacist to let you taste THAT before you fill the
scrip) and negotiate.  I found that once Rob was old enough for
chewables, I got lots less resistance.  Third possibility, can she
swallow a relatively small capsule (keflex isn't very big in capsule
form).  If she can, you may get past this problem altogether.  It's
worth paying a few dollars for a new scrip if it will avoid the
fight -- and Keflex isn't one of the more expensive antibiotics any
more.

Judy

> He put her on 10 days of keflex and that is when the trouble began.  you'd
> think that a kid who can sit still and be so cooperative for an injection
> would take meds no problem.  But we had a right royal battle over the first
> dose; I ended up getting so bent that I finally held her down while she was
> screaming and crying and administered it by oral syringe.  Then I sent her
> off to bed and went out for a drive.  I didn't get far because I was crying
> so hard I had to stop the car.
>
> It is still a battle over taking this stuff.  I swear  I would stand on my
> head and spit nickles if I could to get her to take these.  i am just about
> worn out over this.
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> The son of one of my workmates is going in for a tonsillectomy tomorrow and I mentioned the
> suggestion re using warm drinks instead of cold drinks and iceblocks.  Apparently the
> reason they use cold fluids is to constrict the blood vessels and reduce the risk of
> bleeding, which apparently is a significant risk for some days postop.
>

   This is true, but the effect isn't all that great (only lasts for
a few minutes anyway). It's really more important to keep the back
of the throat moist than to keep it cold. HOT drinks are a very bad
idea, since they'd increase circulation -- and probably hurt.  Rob's
doc didn't have a problem with lukewarm drinks instead of cold -- of
course the other alternative was to wrestle with him (also a bad
idea post-op)

Judy
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Pat--
     I'm so sorry you had such a problem.  We've never had to take Keflex, so
I don't know if maybe it's some horrible, awful stuff that no one would want
to take.  Have you possibly tasted just a little of it to see what the problem
might be.
     EvaJessie is old enough that possibly trickery or bribery might work.
Could you promise her that you really would stand on your head and spit
nickles for her or some other ridiculous stunt that a 5 year old would like to
see?  Could she stay up late, eat ice cream in bed, etc. if she took her meds?
I must confess we have at times resorted to some pretty odd things to get our
older children to cooperate.  Be sure to clap and jump up and down and yell
"Hurrah!"  when she does take her medicine.
    Good luck!
Resa
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our thoughts and prayers are definitely with you.  i wish we could offer
you more than that. god will take care of derek.   the mcgahans
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Robin, I'm not sure if it is common for kids to go home the same day of hand
surgeries.  This is only Sarah's second surgery.  Sarah's first hand surgery
was combined with some expansion surgery on her head.  This time around no
other surgery was needed, just the hand.  Sarah is doing okay, although she is
running a fever and doesn't have much of an appetite.  That does concern me.
However, I much prefer caring for  her in my own home rather than the
hospital.

Belinda
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Hi Everyone!

In regards to the sweetie-pie orphan boy in New Mexico with Apert syndrome:

Upon calling New Mexico to see how to start proceedings to bring Cesar home
to a loving family, I found out he has already been placed in a home.

I do not know about you, but I will sleep better tonight knowing that
little Cesar has a family that will love him. (No pun intended on the
"Little Cesar")

This morning I showed a picture of Cesar to my son Shawn, and Shawn
recognized him.  He shouted, "It's Shawn".  They look so much alike!
 

Best Wishes for everyone!

Mike Allison and Family
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I know wiht Jordans first surgery, which was the thumb and oinky releasal of
the right hand we stayed overnight.....but there was some concern about the
blood flow to the pinky...which was fine after a few hrs....but the real
kicker was he was throwing up all over the place form the anesthesia. I just
wasn't comfortable taking him home.

Second time around, the releasal of the thumb and pinky of the left hand, we
stayed for about 4 hrs......again some concern about blood flow..which was
fine.....Jordans doctor is a bit of a worrier (which is FINE by me), but I
made sure they gave him some zofaran (anti-medic) BEFORE they woke him up so
his nausea wasn't an issue. we took him home, but could have stayed if we
wanted. As soon as we stepped foot out of the hospital he was ready to
play...ALL SMILES!!!!! Even slept through the night w/ nothing more than a
little advil.

After his first surgery he ran a slight fever about 48 hrs out..turned out to
be nothing...gave him some Advil and it was gone by morning. This time, I have
no idea what we'll do, but he is much happier at home in his own bed.The docs
leave it up to us.Our real problem occurs about 5 days out when hes feeling
better and works day and night ot get the bandages off..which he always
does....YUCK!!!!!!!!! ANd we end up ahving to change his dressing...or rather
redress it period in the middle of the night. More than once I have found him
sitting up in bed w/ his surgical hand in his mouth...bandages and splint all
over his bed!!!! FUN STUFF!!!!!

Hope everyone is doing well..I have beeen bit of a lurker as Joe is away for 2
mos. and I am the only on here....needless to say, I am exhausted...Jordan is
quite the Mr. busybody......and w/ the dog I ffel like I have a toddler and a
baby that I keep having to put in time-out...BOTH of them!!!!!

Jenn(Tampa/St. Pete)
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HELLO My name is Sobia Rana. I am 16 years old and I live in Nottingham
which is in England. I recently left Manning School for girls which is in
Aspley Nottingham.In September I am going to college to study an Information
Technology course.In my free time I like reading, swimming and listening to
music.i have a big house which is in Rise Park and I live with my Mum, my
Dad,my three brothers and one sister.I am a Muslim which means I follow the
religion of Islam and I am Asian but was born in England.
  I am very pleased to be joining this website and I would very much be
happy to speak to anyone on it.
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Hello Sobia,

        Welcome to the group!  Do you have Apert Syndrome or a
craniofacial difference?  I have a 2 1/2 year old daughter with Apert
Syndrome.  Her name is Martha Deanna Palacio.  She is such a smart
beautiful girl.  Martha has a little brother, Eddie who is 1 year and 4
months old and an older half-sister, 12 years old.  Martha has had four
surgeries total.  Three on her hands, and one craniofacial.  There are
two other young ladies on this list who are about your age, Andrea (20
years old) and Amanda (16 years old).

        Again welcome!
        Laura Pulido
        Los Angeles, California
        USA
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Thanks everyone for your notes, Judy and Resa and Dori and Robyn.  I know
better to choose the timing for introducing meds.  My row with EvaJessie was
in fact  past her bedtime.  We were both tired.  I think the stress is
getting to me.  I hate  to wish the summer away (it's so short here), but i
can hardly wait for September and this final surgery.  It seems all along
the way, I've been playing catch up on this tissue expansion. Thought I knew
what we were in for, and I did know, but I think I chose to ignore it.  Then
I am confronted with it and I fall apart all over again.

I was feeling pretty smug at how well things had gone -- I knew we had to
hit the ground running with the injections, and we certainly did up to a
couple of weeks ago.  Then all the planning went haywire -- all the doctors
went on holidays, so we lost the momentum of the injections, and to top it
off I found this horrible-looking incision not healed.

I think I just hit a really low spot.  Bad time to argue medicine with a
5yo. (but then, anytime is a bad time to try and argue with a 5 yo, cuz as
soon as you begin you've already lost!)

I want to also let you know tho, that your notes brought me back to the
tried and true things that work with EvaJessie.  Thank you.

This group is full of experience.

I did taste it -- it's cloyingly sweet.  She says it smells bad so she tries
to hold her nose.  We talked about the NO OPTION situation, and then allowed
her to choose how she wants it.  I think she is convinced after the other
night (I still feel just awful about that -- I lost my temper with her when
I am supposed to be supporting her in this)  that she can come up with a
better way to take the meds than having it forced down her throat by mommy.
So, we have over the past two days established a working truce.  And last
night she was so proud of herself because she took it and as she says
"didn't even have a problem!"   I was proud too (but mostly felt relief).

Doc says the incision is looking okay and we are cleared to swim next week!
The thought of losing this tissue expander almost nauseates me.  But that
isn't gonna happen.

Well, thank you again for responding to my panic.
Pat and EvaJessie
email to: bluenose@telusplanet.net
IM: onlypeach
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.  Tom Robbins (Still Life With
Woodpecker)
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Hello-
    My name is Amanda! It is good to see more people joining the list serve.

To All Of You!!!!!!
       Tomorrow- July 31st is my Birthday! I wil Be 17!!!!!!!!!!
Bye!
Amanda
S-W, Washington
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Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 6:24 AM
 

>HELLO My name is Sobia Rana. I am 16 years old and I live in Nottingham
>which is in England. I recently left Manning School for girls which is in
>Aspley Nottingham.In September I am going to college to study an
Information
>Technology course.In my free time I like reading, swimming and listening to
>music.i have a big house which is in Rise Park and I live with my Mum, my
>Dad,my three brothers and one sister.I am a Muslim which means I follow the
>religion of Islam and I am Asian but was born in England.
>  I am very pleased to be joining this website and I would very much be
>happy to speak to anyone on it.
>
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Glad to hear that things are getting better, the incision healing and the meds
being taken much better.  By the time I got to write back to you, you have
things well under control.

Of course the thought of losing the tissue expanders would make you sick.
It's been a very long process for all of you, with more time to go.

Wishing you both a speedy September.

Janine
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMANDA.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMANDA
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU

ENJOY YOUR DAY
 

Janine Krebs
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From:         Jennifer Graham <Jenngram@AOL.COM>
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HAPPY #17 Amanda........enjoy your day...man time flies, I can remeber my 17th
b-day like it was yesterday!!!!!

Jenn(Tampa/St. Pete)
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:04:27 +0000
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From:         Judy Gibson <jgibson2@EROLS.COM>
Subject:      Re: taking meds - update
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I'm so glad that things are looking better.  You're so right about
not battling with tired kiddos -- becomes a no-win, especially if
you're tired.  One other thing that helped Rob until he learned to
swallow pills -- saying YUCK!! as loud as possible after taking the
nasty stuff.

Judy

> Doc says the incision is looking okay and we are cleared to swim next week!
> The thought of losing this tissue expander almost nauseates me.  But that
> isn't gonna happen.
>
>
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:05:44 -0700
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From:         Thomas Troudt <ttroudt@SPRYNET.COM>
Subject:      Derek's surgery cancelled
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Wouldn't you know it??  The night before Derek's Craniofacial reconstruction
surgery he spikes a temperature of 102.  Took him down to the hospital in
Denver anyways and they said it was a no go.  We don't have it rescheduled
yet but will let everyone know when it is.  I hope it is soon.  It is hard
to psych yourself up for it and then to have it postponed is a killer. Talk
to you all again soon.
    Diana Troudt  in Greeley Colorado
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:58:44 -0500
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From:         Laurie Bailey <jkb@ELPASO.NET>
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> From: baconsmith <bluenose@TELUSPLANET.NET>
> To: APERT@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
> Subject: taking meds - update
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 11:12 AM
>>
> Doc says the incision is looking okay and we are cleared to swim next
week!
> The thought of losing this tissue expander almost nauseates me.  But that
> isn't gonna happen.
>
> Well, thank you again for responding to my panic.
> Pat and EvaJessie
> email to: bluenose@telusplanet.net
> IM: onlypeach
> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.  Tom Robbins (Still Life
With
> Woodpecker)

Hey!

I know the feeling of not wanting to lose an expander. After Jacob's first
set, we really had to baby his hands because they were really bruised and
had large blood blisters on them. But, everything came out fine and his
third set looks wonderful. We are taking things slowly with this set
because he has scarring from the previous pinky release that we didn't have
to deal with before. I'll keep you guys posted.

Laurie Bailey
jkb@elpaso.net
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:46:41 -0700
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From:         Robyn Johnston <robyn@ORDATA.COM>
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PAt,

Glad to hear things are going better.  Stress and lack of sleep can reak
havok on one!  Glad to hear EvaJessie is doing so well with her meds now!

Have fun at the 'water hole' next week!

Hugs to you both,
Robyn J
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:35:03 EDT
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From:         Jenny Brown <Firefli007@AOL.COM>
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HelloSobia!
Welcome to the family.  I was in England in June on Holiday!  My Mom is from
somerset, near Glastonbury and we visited some of her relatives there!
Jenny in Savannah

PS  This weekend i'm doing my pictures to get out to everybody.    Wishing
everyone continued speedy recoveries from all the surgeries.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:05:50 -0600
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Wow, Diana, that's hard to hear isn't it?  We get all psyched up and boom,
the rug is pulled from beneath us.  It really gives a person that surreal
feeling -- this can't really be happening, can it?

We had EvaJessie's orbital surgery cancelled on us last July.  The hopsital
didn't have any ICU beds available to recover her in.  We showed up at the
hosp at 6 a m  and by 7:30 we were leaving because surgery was cancelled.  I
couldn't believe it happened.

Hope you get a new surgery date soon. I can just imagine that you are
anxious to have this done.

Keep us posted.
Pat and EvaJessie in Calgary
email to: bluenose@telusplanet.net
IM: onlypeach
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.  Tom Robbins (Still Life With
Woodpecker)
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:56:08 EDT
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Happy 17 Amanda.... Hope your day is full of good things and eat some cake for
me!!!!
jenny (Georgia)
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:02:26 -0500
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From:         Judy Amerman <jamerman@UTI.COM>
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Hello and good morning,

After the Lake Shelbyville weekend and meeting the Tingldys with their
suspicions that baby Caroline may be hydro. I decided to get on the
internet and pull up hydrocephalus. And what a surprise a got.
Nick has had a shunt now for 8 years and no problems and I guess I have
really taken the hydro for granted. I decided to sign on to a hydro
listserv and am really getting my eyes open to "Nick's secondary birth
defect"
I introduced Nick and asked if at anytime shunts are no longer necessary.
Below is just one of the responses that I got back. I am sending this out
with the permission of Liz.
I am also going to send out a copy of a letter about a man who designed a
shunt valve for his son.
If anyone else feels the need to investigate this further like me. Just go
to http://www.neurosurgery.mgh.harvard.edu/hyceph-l.htm
Good luck,
Judy
jamerman@uti.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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> From: Liz Welker <ahead@riconnect.com>
> To: Judy Amermanowner-hyceph-l@listserv.utoronto.ca
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> Subject: Re: introducing Nick
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 6:27 AM
>
> Welcome, Judy and Nick! I know you will find this list to be of
> support and comfort to you. I have been here nearly three years and
> consider members to be family.
>  I'm very happy to hear Nick has not had any problems with hydro
> since infancy! Awesome! He could do better than I have, which, I'll
> admit, is quite good.
>  I'm LIZ. I'm 31 and was dx'ed with hydro in infancy. I've had six
> shunt surgeries, but 5 were during my first four years (along with a
> shunt infection), and I've had *no* shunt problems for nearly 18
> years! This shunt has even survived my two pregnancies and a fall on
> the valve in college. I'm a college grad, wife, and mom of two
> awesome kids. In spite of some occasional setbacks (a few seizures,
> some learning disabilities, the shunt infection, minor motor issues),
> my life is normal. I'm also learning about special needs parenting
> since my son was dx'ed with mild autism last year.
>  I want to caution you about hydro. It has a way of very suddenly
> causing problems. After almost ten years of no problems at all, I
> needed an emergency revision. Hydro is a chronic condition that
> requires coping throughout life, and at 8, I was doing wonderfully in
> school. My learning disabilities were not discovered until I was
> 20. I'm sure Nick will continue to do well, but report *anything*
> unusual to the n-surg, especially since you have not experienced a
> revision of the shunt. Classic signs include nausea, vomitting,
> lethargy, vision disturbance, severe headache, and incoherence.
>  As far as arrest, yes, it does happen, but it is very rare, and
> there is no way of determining whether it will be permanent or not.
> We have members who arrested, and then the hydro re-activated and was
> even worse than before. I would rather have a shunt with no problems
> for nearly twenty years than arrest, frankly.
>  Please let us know if we can help you with any other questions.
> That's why we're here!
>
>                                       LIZ in RI
> LIZ in RI, 31 yo mom and educated layman with
> hydrocephalus since birth, shunted at 4 weeks
> old, five subsequent surgeries, and NONE in
> 17 3/4 years!! Also Mommy to Caren, 7,
> going on 40; and Drew, 4, a beautiful
> little boy with PDD (mild autism); and wife
> to Don, my "other kid."
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:08:49 -0500
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From:         Judy Amerman <jamerman@UTI.COM>
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Here is the story I said I would send.
Just click on below a and read about something pretty incredible
Judy

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> From: Chris Riccio <CARiccio@AOL.COM>
> To: Multiple recipients of list HYCEPH-L <HYCEPH-L@listserv.utoronto.ca>
> Subject: John Holter Story
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 9:01 PM
>
> http://www.net-ez.com/biomedical/hltrstry.htm
>
> I am posting this story many of us are already familiar with for the
benefit
> of the newer members and also to reinforce how far treatment for
hydrocephalus
> has come in just over 40 years.
>
> Imagine how hopeless the Holter family must have felt- and we think we
feel
> alone!
>
> This truly is an amazing story of strength, courage, and determination.
>
> Chris Riccio
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:29:28 -0600
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Laurie, glad to hear Jacob's tissue expanders are looking good.  Keep us
posted.  How long is this for you?   Until September?

Pat in Calgary

>
email to: bluenose@telusplanet.net
IM: onlypeach
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.  Tom Robbins (Still Life With
Woodpecker)
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:24:45 -0400
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Oh boy Diana.....Do we know how you feel.  Our daughter Nicole's cranial
surgery (first surgery at that) was cancelled four times, yes you heard
it right four times.  All I can tell you is hang in there and stay
focused.  We found that after all those cancellations it only made us
stronger.  When the day finally came and believe me it will, we were so
tired and so used to having it cancelled that we were basically taken by
surprise when it was actually a go.  The surgery is now behind us and
all went well and she is doing just great.  Now we have to get ready to
start her hand surgeries (somehow those don't make me as nervous)
although surgery is surgery and we still must have our concerns.

Hang in there we will be praying for you and you'll see soon it will
happen it will be over and you can then relax a bit.....

Take care...

Raquel Miller.....