Yes, it does get easier as time pass. With each visit it get easier,
because
you will know what to expect. Mary
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Liz and family,
My prayers are with your whole family, in particular your father-in-law.
Also hope Jake recovers from his "flu".
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DEAR LIZ AND FAMILY, HOPE YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW COMES THROUGH THIS OK MY
BROTHER
HAD THIS IN 1993 AND IS DOING WELL. HE HAS SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSE BUT
IS
DOING GREAT OTHER WISE. WE WILL BE PRAYING FOR ALL OF YOU AND JAKE
TOO.
MARILYN
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Hello everyone,
Just wanted to let you all know that Emily's surgery for tomorrow, Friday,
is
off. She has a runny nose and her ped. won't clear her.
He's afraid it will
turn into something more and with the anesthesia and all that it might
turn
into pneumonia.
Needless to say, I am very disappointed. I know it's the right
thing for
her, but I feel like a spoiled brat that is not getting my way.
You plan and
plan and plan, two surgeons, (eye doctor and hand surgeon), months
waiting,
all to be put off.
Anyway, hopefully this just stays a cold and nothing more. Waiting
for a new
date to reschedule.
Hope all is well with everyone.
Best wishes,
Janine Krebs
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Nicholas' surgery scheduled for next week at Shriners in SC has
been
postponed due to renovations of the OR that are still not complete...
they
gave us a tentative date of June 23, but he is scheduled for his LeFort
and
RED Procedure in July, so dont think we will do it that close together.
So
looks like the finger straightening may be put off til the fall after
the
RED device is removed.
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Denise,
Who is doing Darryl's surgery? How are you guys
doing? Do you still go to
Chattanooga? Hope to hear from you soon.
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Liz and Family,
We will be praying for your father in law and your family. I sure
hope Jake
gets to feeling better also.
Cristy and Carlee
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Janine,
All I can tell you is, we can relate......Hang in there....hope Emily
gets better
soon...
Raquel Miller..
Yonstein@AOL.COM wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Just wanted to let you all know that Emily's surgery for tomorrow,
Friday, is
> off. She has a runny nose and her ped. won't clear her.
He's afraid it will
> turn into something more and with the anesthesia and all that it
might turn
> into pneumonia.
>
> Needless to say, I am very disappointed. I know it's the right
thing for
> her, but I feel like a spoiled brat that is not getting my way.
You plan and
> plan and plan, two surgeons, (eye doctor and hand surgeon), months
waiting,
> all to be put off.
>
> Anyway, hopefully this just stays a cold and nothing more.
Waiting for a new
> date to reschedule.
>
> Hope all is well with everyone.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Janine Krebs
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Liz & Family,
Our prayers are with your family, stay strong things will get
better.
Leave it in Gods hands and he will help you guys through it all.
Take care,
Raquel Miller
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Thanks everyone for your well wishes and prayers. This is such
a hard time
for everyone. We've had a lot of life changes happen in the past
year and a
half. It's been pretty difficult, but it helps tremendously to
have love
and support from family and friends.
Thanks again!
Liz Niemi & Family
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Liz and Family,
We will be praying for your
father in law and your family. I sure
hope Jake
gets to feeling better also.
Cristy and Carlee
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HOPE EMILY GETS well, SOON AND YOU CAN GET THE SURGERIES BEHIND YOU.
LOVE
MARILYN
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Sorry to hear your surgery got cancelled.
I hope she gets well soon.
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Hi Liz,
Our prayers are with you.
This is a very difficult time.
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Dear Janine and Carol the postponed surgeries are a real
pain, you wonder
what to do with all that tension you've built up in anticipation. The
smile
pasted on your heart it'll all be fine tension and the dread tension.
We've had two cancel/postponements and it made me so restless.
Sure hope
everything is resolved for you soon. Limbo isn't my favourite
place to be,
either.
Janine did I mention we got Emily's pictures They are great.
Thanks.You
have a beautiful family. ;-)
Pat
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Cristy,
It's wonderful to hear that you are going to be on your local TV.
I was just
talking to a dear friend today about a foster mom story they are doing
on her
in our local newspaper. We were talking about how the public
needs so
deparately to be educated so they can teach their children appropriately
about other children with special needs, differences, etc. Hope
your story
enlightens others in your neck of the woods.
We made the final commitment (reservations) to join the crowd at Myrtle
Beach
in June and are so looking forward to meeting everyone. Will
there be any
other 2 years olds going?
Brenda
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Janine--
We know how you feel. It's the pits. We've gone so far as
the whole ordeal
in the morning (nothing to eat or drink, getting to the hospital by
6am,
etc.) and then had the surgery cancelled. But, as we all know
it's in the
kids best interest and we don't want to take any unnecessary chances.
Nevertheless, it is frustrating. Thanks so much for the adorable
photos.
Thanks also to Mechelle and Cristy. Carlee and Courtney (and
her sister) are
all just as precious as can be. We will be getting ours out in
the next
couple of weeks (in between end of school year activities, dance, etc.)
May
has gotten to be a very hectic month.
Brenda
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Our prayers go out to Liz and her family.
We also pray that Emily and Nicholas will have their surgeries when
it's the
right time, and that Emily will get over her cold.
Love to all,
The Guyettes
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Base from expert advise and experience when is the best time to release
the
fingers. I was told by a plastic surgeon that to get a good result
(
functioning well) is to do it when the kids is 4-5 years old, wasn't
it a
bit late . Any comment on this?...
By the way ,last 16th April my daughter (Atikah 9 month) undergo the
procedure on releasing the coronal and sagital satures by the neuro
surgeon
, she's being warded for 4 days, recovering extremly well and become
a much
happier baby. I also find out that the plastic team actually
wants to have
a joint operation with the neuro to do the forehead advancement but
the
neuro thinks that is not necessary - it confuse me...it 's difficult
if you
don't liase with the right team. There's a possibility to have a procedure
done for the forehead next year. I've yet to set an appointment with
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Subject: Beyond Mad!!!!!! delete if you
sick of hearing about the Adoption
drama!!!!!
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Okay, I promise I will make this shorter than the others.(yeah sure)
well we saw the lastes Photos of Laura, She is sooooooooooooooo cute,
big
blue eyes, and red hair, (our family loves red hair), it was great
to see
them.
Then we where hit with the wammi. Laura can not come to you until,
you no
longer have your special needs foster daughter, and your 31/2 year
old is
too close in age to Laura.(what am I surposed to do about that, he's
also a
Foster child.)
I was gob smacked (lost for words), this came from no where, and explained
a whole lot of stuff to us, This whole thing is not about Tony's weight
or
references, its about us as foster parents. I couldn't beleive what
I was
hearing, basically, we can have Laura only after we get rid of the
foster
kids.
I understand, that they are worried about our ability to cope, but
not one
of the 3 SW's i gave them to ring have had a phone call, and all 3
will
testify to our coping abilities.
In the next breath, she said that we will get a phone call about our
home
study (these are done just before the kids are moved here) and they
are
happy with our application,
am I dumb or is this SW giving out crossed messages.
This is what Tony and I see, yes you are good enough to adopt, but
not
until you get rid of the foster kids, who I might add gave us the skills
to
adopt a special needs child in the first place.
My mum is really cut by all of this, she has a special needs young
Adult
daughter, who I of course lived with my whole life,(I love my sister)and
is
anyone could judge my ability to cope its her, she says a big yes,
and
thinks I cope better than she did.
Mum never gives in and wants us to fight to the end, we will, not for
just
her, but for our foster kids (who we love dearly), for Laura, and our
Bio
son (how wants a forever sister, please mummy!!!!) and for us.
If this about Fostering, they are in for one big shock, We have the
goverment minister of healths phone number and address and a letter
is
being drafted at this present moment, hehehe
We hope that, just our home study will let them know we cope well,
and will
cope with Laura, but if not, we are ready to fight.
As we where about to leave, she (SW) asked," if you don't get Laura,
would
you take a newborn," I looked at her, and asked," but what about the
foster
kids?" she said," Thats a differents situation, we would approve that."
Puzzled?, so are we, stay tuned for the next chapter, after I see the
SW on
Tuesday next week, and I have all my Facts straight............I believe
its a crime to be prejudice against a fosterchild here, so the Minister
might just get the ball rolling.
Beyond mad, just want justice know,
love you guys,
Nicki, Mum, fostermum, soon to be adoptive mum, wife to 3 (nearly 4)
great
kids and and fantasic husband.
CDLS, Tricuspid atresia, hemi fontan, Reflux and soon Apert syndrome
are
just some of the things we deal with!!!!!
Queensland Australia.
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Janine,
Bummer having surgery cancelled, You get yourself all ready to face
the =
surgery and bam!! Hope the little doll is feeling better.
Brenda, when are you guys coming ? I am keeping track along
with =
Cathie when everyon is coming and going. Are you at the Crownreef
with =
us? So glad you can make it.
this makes 11 confirmed Apert families, not including the extended
=
families.
Just a reminder that sunday night is Chat night at 8:pm central.
My =
husband will be home from India tomorrow so he is going to get an =
education on what we are all about!!!
Nick is so excited that his Dad will be home for his b-day!!!
Six weeks from today, that tropical sun will be beating down on me.
I =
can't wait!! I feel like a little kid as excited as I am.
Happy Birthday to you!!!! Don!!!
Hope Seth is doing good too. I have been thinking of you guys
Dori. =
HOpe to see you this summer. when is your next trip to see Rick's
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brother? Hope it is when we are home and the weather is hot!!!
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families, =
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night is =
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as=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Happy Birthday to you!!!! =
Don!!!</FONT></DIV>
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I =
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when =
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I think I should agree with Don here. Guns don't kill people,
people kill
people. Senseless violence happens because there are senseless people.
The
first thing to remember is that the children involved went out to retaliate
on their oppressors, while in no way do I condone their methods. This
misguided youths needed more support from their parents to help them
deal
with being different. That has to be the biggest thing all parents
should do
is to get their children to realize that we are all different, and
that it
is not cool to pick on someone who is different from you.
Don Sears wrote:
> I am fairly neutral on the subject of gun ownership. I do not
own any
> guns. Yes there are lunatics who own guns and misuse them,
but there
> are also thousands of responsible gun owners who should not lose
their
> privleges because of the acts of others. I look at even larger
acts of
> senseless violence that do not involve guns - consider the Oklahoma
City
> bombing - no guns used - must we now seek to ban fertilizer and diesel
> fuel? The bottom line in my mind is that responsibility lies
with the
> parents. The buck stops there.
>
>
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I haven't weighed in on this yet, because while I think it's tragic,
it's
not really a part of our regular topics. But, Shannon has a good
point. It
is not cool to pick on someone -- regardless of the reason. Just
two days
ago, right here in sleepytown southern Alberta, a 14 year -old shot
two
teens from his high school; one is dead and the other in hospital.
It is a
rural area -- probably lots of farmers keep guns around for various
reasons.
Anyway, afterward, we hear that this 14yo (the shooter) was teased
by
others. He was unpopular and a loner whom others made fun of.
Didn't
anyone think to empathize with him and look to the inside and his feelings.
Didn't anyone think to invite him to play or hang out wiht them.
Did anyone
speak any words of kindness or was the shooter just a target for the
other
kids' misguided sense of belongingness. He's out, but we
are in. What a
crock. What a lot of hurt and heartache. I don't
condone the actions of
the shooter. But it heightens the pain even more to think about
what he has
done.
This kind of stuff isn't unique to the United States. It's everywhere.
And
it's very very sad.
I send my thoughts and prayers for PEACE in the hearts of all those
who have
lost their sons and daughters, and friends in this mess.
Sadly, in Canada,
Pat Bacon
> I think I should agree with Don here. Guns don't kill people,
people kill
>people. Senseless violence happens because there are senseless people.
The
>first thing to remember is that the children involved went out to
retaliate
>on their oppressors, while in no way do I condone their methods. This
>misguided youths needed more support from their parents to help them
deal
>with being different. That has to be the biggest thing all parents
should do
>is to get their children to realize that we are all different, and
that it
>is not cool to pick on someone who is different from you.
>
>Don Sears wrote:
>
>> I am fairly neutral on the subject of gun ownership. I do
not own any
>> guns. Yes there are lunatics who own guns and misuse them,
but there
>> are also thousands of responsible gun owners who should not lose
their
>> privleges because of the acts of others. I look at even larger
acts of
>> senseless violence that do not involve guns - consider the Oklahoma
City
>> bombing - no guns used - must we now seek to ban fertilizer and
diesel
>> fuel? The bottom line in my mind is that responsibility lies
with the
>> parents. The buck stops there.
>>
>>
>
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> Anyway, afterward, we hear that this 14yo (the shooter) was
teased by
> others. He was unpopular and a loner whom others made fun of.
Didn't
> anyone think to empathize with him and look to the inside and his
feelings.
> Didn't anyone think to invite him to play or hang out wiht them.
Did anyone
> speak any words of kindness or was the shooter just a target for
the other
> kids' misguided sense of belongingness. He's out, but
we are in. What a
> crock. What a lot of hurt and heartache. I don't
condone the actions of
> the shooter. But it heightens the pain even more to think about
what he has
> done.
>
I was going to stay out of this, because it could
get unbearably
political. However, I read something today that I think bears
repeating. A Christian youth leader in Colorado who was instrumental
in helping kids and parents find each other after the shooting
commented: "This is a spiritual problem -- there is a spiritual
vacuum in our lives, in our society, in our world. And if you don't
believe it then you are missing the point."
He's right -- people living in a spiritual vacuum
hurt each
other, whether it's cruel teasing or physical attacks. I can't
imagine Mother Theresa, or Billy Graham, or Ghandi, (I could go on)
doing anything to hurt another person emotionally or physically. The
youth leader went on to ask young people to reach out to their
friends and invite them to attend a worship service this
week. Rather than pointing fingers, why don't we ALL try that.
It
certainly can't do any harm. If you know someone who seems
alienated, reach out and invite them to go to worship service with
you this weekend. If you haven't been in a church in years, maybe
it's time to check one out yourself.
Judy
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I,too, have stayed out of this conversation, but I have got to agree
with Judy. These senseless actions by children are a direct result
of
the spiritual void that is prevalent in our society. I have heard
so
many times that these children are from "good homes", how could this
happen? A "good" home is not necessarily an expensive one, or
in a good
neighborhood; it is a home where Christian ideas and values are talked
about, studied, shared, and practiced on a daily basis. It is
a home
where parents and children spend time together talking, praying,
attending church, socializing, witnessing, and reaching out TOGETHER
to
others in need. When kids are taught to reach out to others with
problems, to put themselves in the other person's shoes, to model
themselves after the life of Jesus Christ, then they have less time
to
worry about their problems and more strength to deal with them as they
come up.
Until parents realize this,
these events are going to continue. If we
are not responsible for our children and their beliefs and values,
then
who is??!!
Joni
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Amen to Jone and Judy.
We need to put God back into our lives. When are people going
to realize
that-- this is what is missing. The "peace og God that surpasses
all
understanding"
Ruth Contreras
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>
> I,too, have stayed out of this conversation, but I have got to agree
> with Judy. These senseless actions by children are a direct
result of
> the spiritual void that is prevalent in our society. I have
heard so
> many times that these children are from "good homes", how could this
> happen? A "good" home is not necessarily an expensive one,
or in a good
> neighborhood; it is a home where Christian ideas and values are talked
> about, studied, shared, and practiced on a daily basis. It
is a home
> where parents and children spend time together talking, praying,
> attending church, socializing, witnessing, and reaching out TOGETHER
to
> others in need. When kids are taught to reach out to others
with
> problems, to put themselves in the other person's shoes, to model
> themselves after the life of Jesus Christ, then they have less time
to
> worry about their problems and more strength to deal with them as
they
> come up.
> Until parents realize
this, these events are going to continue.
If we
> are not responsible for our children and their beliefs and values,
then
> who is??!!
>
>
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Dear all. One last word from me and then I have to be silent.
Our family
doesn't attend church. I'm not sure what I believe in, and haven't
given my
children much religious instruction. I don't invite others to
worship with
me because I don't worship. I do care for others and reach out
to them and
I teach my children the same thing. You can call it a lack of
God in the
home, but I see myself practicing what others (particularly in my own
family) profess to be Christian values. Maybe my values are more
Buddhist,
or Tao or Shinto, for all I know -- I'm not familiar with those forms
of
religion either. I just know that the thread of humanity runs
strong in my
household and in my family, and others can call it whatever they want.
It
isn't necessarily God, but it is not a spiritual vacuum either.
I hear what you are saying. Just offering another viewpoint.
Not all of us
come from the same place in our spirituality.
Sincerely and finally
Pat Bacon
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DEAR NICKI FAMILY, WILL BE KEEPING YOU IN OUR PRAYERS, AND HOPE YOU
GET YOUR
LAURA SOON SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T UNDER STAND THAT YOU CAN TAKE CARE
OF AND
LOVE MORE THEN ONE CHILD. LOVE AND BEST WISHES, MARILYN IN COOL FLORIDA
TODAY!!!!!!!!!
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Hi:
Michelle Bradley wanted to let everyone know that she is a big sister.
She
is so excited!
Ana Elizabeth(5lb 7oz) and Christie Allison(5lb 2oz) were born
on April
29th.
Mom and babies are doing fine.
Have a great weekend!
Ryan Bradley
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Congartulations! Great news. Brightened my day.
Pat and the Peach
>Hi:
>
>Michelle Bradley wanted to let everyone know that she is a big sister.
She
>is so excited!
>
>Ana Elizabeth(5lb 7oz) and Christie Allison(5lb 2oz) were born
on April
>29th.
>
>Mom and babies are doing fine.
>
>Have a great weekend!
>
>Ryan Bradley
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have a =
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has =
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I =
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see =
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as =
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I hope to get all out within the next 2 weeks. =20
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I would =
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If you did not get our address, it is on the address list.
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> He's right -- people living in a spiritual vacuum
hurt each
>other, whether it's cruel teasing or physical attacks. I can't
>imagine Mother Theresa, or Billy Graham, or Ghandi, (I could go on)
>doing anything to hurt another person emotionally or physically. The
If it's just a matter of spirituality, how do we explain a priest that
molests young boys, or the crusades??? These people were not
lacking in
religion. People do all kinds of strange things and sometimes
it has
nothing to do with whether ot not you have religion in your life.
The human
animal is complex and cannot be easily understood. It's unfortunate
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some people think so little of life that they're ready to take their
own or
someone else's so easily.
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Welcome Joni and Joseph and the Stephens family. We are the Krebs
family,
Brian, Janine, Nicholas and Emily (21 months) with Aperts. We
live in New
York.
I am sure you will find this list to be a tremendous support and help for you.
Best wishes,
Janine Krebs
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I can't believe you have to go through all of this. I would be
beyond mad
myself. Why is it a different story with an infant because of
the ages? So
what are you supposed to do, just ship out the foster children that
are there?
Boy, they sure don't make things easy, do they?
Hope to hear better news at your next posting.
Janine Krebs
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CONGRATULATIONS TO THE BRADLEY FAMILY!!
Hope Mom and babies are doing well and getting some rest.
Best wishes,
The Krebs Family