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Liz: I'm so sorry to hear about your father in law.  My thoughts and prayers
are with you.

Andrea: I'm so excited for you.  I can't wait to read about how you like the
results.

This has been a hard week.  It started with problems I'm having with
disability which I will go into at another time, because I really want to
make this a crucade of mine.  But we moved this week and while the movers
were moving our things, I had to take Samantha for her six month followup.
Her peditrician said that he is really happy with how she's doing.  Just with
her cleft palate alone that she has never been sick is great.  He cleaned her
ears and it was tramatic for her and then she got a shot for hep b.  He then
said he was concerned with her head size (my hat therory might not be so
stupid after all).  He said he was going to tell her neurosurgeon.  I said we
were scheduled for a MRI of brain on 9th a week before her finger surgery.
He said ok.

That next day I got pictures from Christy Williams of Carlee a week after her
cranial surgery.  I also got to see the zig zag incision.  It was good to see
how she looks happy and fine one week later.  Well a few hours later her
neurosurgeon's office called and said that they had schduled her for a MRI
the next morning.  I called her case manager to see if we needed to also see
plastic surgeon like was scheduled for the 9th.  If there was a need for her
first cranial then I wanted to be prepared.  Thank God for her because since
my birth I do not want anymore surprises.  She said no because this is to see
if she has hydracepalus(spelling?) and he wouldn't be involved with a shunt
operation.  Her doctor never indicated that he thought this.  I called him
and he said yes he was very concerned.

My father came with me and Samantha again fought being put under.  She was
hungry and hysterical and wouldn't go under for a hour.  Then the minute she
was done she woke up and screamed and screamed.  Her doctor kept going into
other surgeries so we didn't get to see him for six hours.   I was a wreck
dropping cokes and realizing that I'm the momma.  Something that at 38 years
old is new.  I've got to be strong for her.

Finally we found out that he doesnt think she has fluid of brain, but that
her brain did grow much quicker than anticipated and she has to have the
cranial surgery within ten days.  So we are schduled for June 9th.  Her
fingers are postponed.

This is something we've known since the day she was born, but you all know
it's so hard.  I'm scared that they well screw up.  I'm not really big right
now on doctors. This week is now a worldwind of giving blood, getting her
therapies in, trying to just go ten more days of her never being sick, get
her preops etc.  But my main goal is that we moved Wed into a new house and
it's been crazy.  I want to get her in a comfortable routine so she has it to
come home to.

I'd be grateful for any tips about our hospital stay also if you can.
Especially things no one thinks about to take for the baby and myself.  We
live over a hour away but both our parents live close to hospital.  I plan to
stay with her.

I worry that her spirit will be hurt.  She didn't smile for two days after
the doc and MRI.  It's like I'm watching her trust go away.

I feel like these past six months we've just been dabbling with the Apert
Syndrome and now will be going full fledge so to say.

Thanks all for listening.

Love, Lisa Guyette
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Sorry to hear about the rushed procedure.....I hate it when that happens.....

BUT.....just to reassure you, everytime Joedan goes in for a CT, x-ray, or
some test where he has to remain still he is madder than all get out for a
few days (talk about holding a grudge!!!!!!)...after his cranial, and all 6
hand surgeries he was back to his old self within the same time period (at
least hes consistant). With his last hand surgery, it actually only took a
few hrs and you never would have known he had a big surgery!!

Good Luck
Jenn
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Hello Everyone:

Since I have been away from my computer, I have too many e-mails to catch up
on so there will be individual messages from me.

Jenn, Joe and Jordan, congratulations on your move.  I am sure Jenn it's very
stressful with everything else going on.  Glad you are finally taking time
out for yourself.  Get settled and try to relax and enjoy your new
surroundings.

Resa:  Sorry to hear about the news of Mitchell's MRI.  I, too, would
continue to search and look for answers.  I wouldn't be comfortable waiting 3
months to find out what is going on.  Perhaps another doctor to interpret the
scans?  Will be praying for good news.

Liz and family:  Sorry to hear about your loss.  It's a tought time to be
going through, but at least it was peaceful for him.

Janine Krebs
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CONGRATULATIONS Dori on a beautiful wedding.  Sounds like it was wonderful
and everyone had a great time.   Thanks for sharing.

ANDREA;  by now your surgery is over but my thoughts and prayers were and are
with you.  Let us know how it went.

Best wishes,

Janine
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Hi all,

Just a few words to let you all know that our Aperts lists of birth that
we know of are growing here in Florida.  Just this past weekend we
received two calls from two moms one was referred to us by our
neurosurgeon and she called me for comfort and I feel so good that I was
able to give it to her.  Her daughters name is Jena she is 2 months
old.  She thanked me for helping her she will be getting internet access
soon so hopefully she will be joining our list serv.  That same
afternoon she was contacted by another Aperts mom whom was given her
number by the nurses at the hospital where her baby was born.  She then
called me that same afternoon I spoke to her for a while and she soon
will be joining our listserv her baby Lauren is 2 weeks old.  It's
amazing they both live about 2 hours from us and they live about 1/2
hour from each other.  Babies born within a couple of months from each
other.  Sometimes I wonder if Aperts is still considered to be 1 in
160,000.00 births...They are going through right now what the majority
of us have already gone through, that uncertanty of not knowing what to
do next and the feeling of are we doing enough.  I know that until the
surgeries start kicking in that is when you feel you are doing
something, I know that is how I felt.  They will probably be going to
Nicki's doctors so that will be good, we can visit etc..

Anyway their names are Tanya Tyson and Jill Brickman we will hopefully
soon see them joining our family...

Take care

Raquel Miller...
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO COURTNEY!!!!!!!!! IT DOESNT SEEM POSSIBLE THAT THEY ARE
BOTH ONE ALREADY. WE'RE GOING TO CARLEE'S PARTY ON SAT.  BYE FOR NOW. MARILYN
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DEAR LISA, I KNOW HOW SCARED YOU ARE, BUT WE WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU AND GOD
WILL BE WITH SAMATHA, IT'S WORSE ON THE PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS THEN THE
BABY, BELIEVE ME. WE WERE ALL A WRECK, BUT IT'S SUCH A RELIEF TO GET IT
BEHIND YOU, TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS YOU. MARILYN
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Hi Raquel!
  Courtney, and Carlee were born less than 24 hours apart last year!
The most bizarre thing is that Cristy ( Carlee's mom) and I dressed them
alike for Halloween, and I didn't get internet access until December!
What a coincidence!  I was shocked!  Maxine and Courtney share the same
birthday date! :) We will be celebrating Courtney's birthday on Saturday
as well!:)
Mechelle
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GOOD LUCK to Andrea!  I hope all went well!  I wish you a speedy
recovery!
Mechelle
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Hello everyone!

It has been a long time since I have written, not to mention read any
e-mails.  I am finally catching up with everything and everyone.  I have
been so busy with now having two children to deal with.  Going from one
to two children is definately a challenge.....I don't know how other
mothers do it.  It seems that everytime I think I have a moment to spend
with Andrew alone, Meghan wakes up.  I feel so bad for Andrew.  His
nighttime routine is always interrupted.  Does anyone have any ideas?

I want to let everyone know that I will be picking up Andrew's pictures
this week sometime and will send them out shortly there after.  I will
try and get a good picture of little Meghan to send as well.  I have a
picture of Andrew holding Meghan, but it isn't the best shot of Andrew.
I will have to see if I will send that one.

I will be praying for both Andrea and Joanne, as well as anyone else
having surgery soon.

Just  a little update with Andrew.  Well, we saw Andrew's neurosurgeon
last week and he said that Andrew is doing very well.  He doesn't see
any need to do another CT scan on Andrew until his next surgery, which
is when he is 7 years old (they will be fixing his eye sockets at that
time).  We discussed mid-face advancement and the Red System, but he
told me that Andrew will NEVER need a mid-face advancement.  That was
such a relief!!!!!  Then more good news when we went to see Dr. Upton.
It looks like Andrew WILL be having his toes separated when he is 5
years old.  I can't wait to see his separate little toes.  The
separation will not be as long as yours and mine, but still separate all
the same.  Andrew's metatarsals (sp.) are good length.  It seems that in
Apert children the metatarsal in the big toe is normally just a piece of
bone, but with Andrew it is the whole bone.  There will be no
deviation.  We are very happy around here.  Dr. Upton is our savior.
Andrew will be starting his hand surgeries again in October.  Dr. Upton
will be thinning down his fingers, making the grafts disappear,
straightening his index fingers, and then straightening his thumbs as
well as adding bone to them to make them longer.  I tell you, he is a
miracle worker.  He was thrilled with the manipulation Andrew has in his
fingers.  It seems all doctors are thrilled with Andrew's progress.

Andrew will be leaving EI and strarting preschool in 3 short months.  I
can't wait.  I am so exciting for Andrew and starting school.  I, unlike
some, have no problems with separating and sending Andrew to school.  It
is the best thing for him and it gives me some sanity time.  As it is,
Andrew loves his playgroup Monday and Wednesday mornings.

Speaking of Dr. Upton.....when I went to see him last week, he mentioned
that he has now seen his 98th, 99th, and 100th Apert patient.  The funny
thing is, he said they all knew me.  I would love to know who is
visiting him.  I know you are Sheila and he told me how pleased he was
with Paige's surgery.

Well, I better get going and take advantage of having both children
asleep.  I have to mop the floors (how is that for relaxation).  My
sister and her family are coming up from Florida and staying with us for
5 days.  Boy is going to be crowded.  I will try and not be such a
stranger.  Talk to you all later.

Lynn Thornquist
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Hi lisa!
  For Courtney's surgeries I always pack her pajamas of her own, so she
has her home scents.  I choose the ones that button up the back, sine
they almost always put the iv in her head.  Plus, she might still have a
drain.  Our hospital doesn't have infant cereal, so I pack a box.  I
would also take clothes u r going to "bum" around in.  I normally take a
pair of bedroom shoes for myself.  Courtney has the Mead Jonson cleft
bottles, and I take them, since I have the nipples ready to feed her
cereal.  Don't forget her pacifier (if she takes one)!!!!!   I usually
take Court's mommy bear with us, since she sleeps with it at home.  We
also take some snacks for us, so we don't have to leave her. Hope this
helps!
Mechelle
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Lisa,

We have gone through 2 cranialfacial surgeries.  Bring alot of books, word
search puzzles, crossword puzzles.  You can only do so much to get prepared
but from experience it is not easy on the parents.  They have such wonderful
drugs now for kids.

When Lisa (age 8 at the time) had her last cranialfacial they had a medicine
that they gave her and I do not remember what it was but they told us that
she will never remember the pain she went through.

It was harder on us.  Don't ask how long it is going to take.  If they tell
you 6 hours and it ends up being 10 then you worry.  If it is like our
experience they will have a messenger come and give you updates every 2
hours.  (Ask if they do that)  That really helped.  They reassured us that
everything was going fine.

Lisa,  remember you have to be strong for Samantha.  Just trust the doctors.
When surgery starts they are in God's hands.   Samantha will do just fine.
Been there done that.

Also ask the doctor when you go for preop if you can go all the way into OR.
We got to do that and once Lisa was asleep then we left.  They were very
good about that.  It is tramatic on the kids and if separation is not going
to be easy they may allow you to do that. Ask about it.

Lisa hates to have the mask put over her nose.  She fights that to the point
where it takes 2 people to hold her down.  So it did work out well to go as
far as we possibly could.

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From: Lisa Guyette <LAM1126@AOL.COM>
To: APERT@LISTSERV.AOL.COM <APERT@LISTSERV.AOL.COM>
Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 2:35 AM
Subject: From Guyette Family
 

>Liz: I'm so sorry to hear about your father in law.  My thoughts and
prayers
>are with you.
>
>Andrea: I'm so excited for you.  I can't wait to read about how you like
the
>results.
>
>This has been a hard week.  It started with problems I'm having with
>disability which I will go into at another time, because I really want to
>make this a crucade of mine.  But we moved this week and while the movers
>were moving our things, I had to take Samantha for her six month followup.
>Her peditrician said that he is really happy with how she's doing.  Just
with
>her cleft palate alone that she has never been sick is great.  He cleaned
her
>ears and it was tramatic for her and then she got a shot for hep b.  He
then
>said he was concerned with her head size (my hat therory might not be so
>stupid after all).  He said he was going to tell her neurosurgeon.  I said
we
>were scheduled for a MRI of brain on 9th a week before her finger surgery.
>He said ok.
>
>That next day I got pictures from Christy Williams of Carlee a week after
her
>cranial surgery.  I also got to see the zig zag incision.  It was good to
see
>how she looks happy and fine one week later.  Well a few hours later her
>neurosurgeon's office called and said that they had schduled her for a MRI
>the next morning.  I called her case manager to see if we needed to also
see
>plastic surgeon like was scheduled for the 9th.  If there was a need for
her
>first cranial then I wanted to be prepared.  Thank God for her because
since
>my birth I do not want anymore surprises.  She said no because this is to
see
>if she has hydracepalus(spelling?) and he wouldn't be involved with a shunt
>operation.  Her doctor never indicated that he thought this.  I called him
>and he said yes he was very concerned.
>
>My father came with me and Samantha again fought being put under.  She was
>hungry and hysterical and wouldn't go under for a hour.  Then the minute
she
>was done she woke up and screamed and screamed.  Her doctor kept going into
>other surgeries so we didn't get to see him for six hours.   I was a wreck
>dropping cokes and realizing that I'm the momma.  Something that at 38
years
>old is new.  I've got to be strong for her.
>
>Finally we found out that he doesnt think she has fluid of brain, but that
>her brain did grow much quicker than anticipated and she has to have the
>cranial surgery within ten days.  So we are schduled for June 9th.  Her
>fingers are postponed.
>
>This is something we've known since the day she was born, but you all know
>it's so hard.  I'm scared that they well screw up.  I'm not really big
right
>now on doctors. This week is now a worldwind of giving blood, getting her
>therapies in, trying to just go ten more days of her never being sick, get
>her preops etc.  But my main goal is that we moved Wed into a new house and
>it's been crazy.  I want to get her in a comfortable routine so she has it
to
>come home to.
>
>I'd be grateful for any tips about our hospital stay also if you can.
>Especially things no one thinks about to take for the baby and myself.  We
>live over a hour away but both our parents live close to hospital.  I plan
to
>stay with her.
>
>I worry that her spirit will be hurt.  She didn't smile for two days after
>the doc and MRI.  It's like I'm watching her trust go away.
>
>I feel like these past six months we've just been dabbling with the Apert
>Syndrome and now will be going full fledge so to say.
>
>Thanks all for listening.
>
>Love, Lisa Guyette
>
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Hi Raquel

Sorry, can't help as the rates from your country to ours are set by your postal service and vice versa.  Can't you just phone them and ask?

Looking forward to seeing your photos.  I'm still thinking about ours because our latest family one is not flattering of me and I do want to look my best for y'all! ("vanity, vanity, all is vanity")
 :-)

Cheers
Ann
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Lisa, have faith in yourself and Samantha.  Most of us have gone through this and we know it is tough, but try to remember that being there for her is all you can do, and all that is necessary for her.  Trust doesn't get lost just like that, she will know you're in there batting for her.

No.1 recommendation is EMLA, the local anaesthetic cream.  Great Globs of it onto any spot they may be sticking in a needle while she is awake.  Take away the pain and you take away a lot of the fear.  It may be okay for those kids who only have one session in hospital in their whole life (but I still think they should have it!) but our kids are in and out and should have anything that will make it less painful and scarey for them.

No.2 recommendation.  (this may not apply to this op as she will probably be in special care for the first day or so - Amy was anyway)  Don't let her drink too soon post op despite her entreaties.  I made that mistake with Amy after one of her early ops and she very shortly afterwards threw up!!  Believe the nurses if they tell you to give little sips!

Suggestions
-  Tapes of her favourite music - with earplug if you're sharing a room.
-  Tapes of you reading her stories or singing - I always had trouble reading without crying, so the tapes dealt with that issue, and if she has an earplug no-one else has to hear you singing!  Hearing your voice is the important thing.
-  Preferably peaceful, relaxing music.
-  Little treats as pick-me-ups - for both of you.
-  Favourite books to share (yours as well).
-  Favourite toy or two.
-  Colourful balloons hanging where she can see them.  Another child that was in at the same time as Amy (can't remember which time tho) had a heart-shaped balloon with a face and with long paper legs attached at the bottom, and it was filled with helium, so "walked" along the ward when the breeze blew.
-  Colourful windmills you can attach to her pram so when you go for walks they spin around and amuse her.
-  If you are sharing a ward you may well find she is so interested in everyone else you won't need to do much entertaining, just hugging/holding.
-  She will probably be pretty quiet for the first couple of days and not want much stimulation or entertainment anyway.
-  Someone to give you a break.
-  Knitting, cross-stitch, whatever you like to do.
-  Check out supplies of tea, coffee, etc, and what you have to pay for.  Take your own supply of your favourite sustenance, you deserve it.  My sister smuggled in a wee bottle of brandy for me and that nightcap was so civilised!  Another friend brought in a delicious dinner complete with wine (the nurses turned a blind eye again), napkins and all.
-  And don't forget your physical comfort - what are the sleeping, washing, etc, facilities.  What are the mattresses and pillows like?  Do you need to take a sheepskin or blanket to put under you to make the mattress comfortable?

And "relax" and go with the flow.

Thinking of you
Hugs
Ann
NZ
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>Sometimes I wonder if Aperts is still considered to be 1 in
>160,000 births...

Hi Raquel

UK data is 1:160,000 but US data is 1:60,000 which is certainly more in line with the New Zealand births we know of - we are due for another any time now on that basis.

Great that you have been able to be in touch with these families.  Please pass on our very best wishes from New Zealand, we look forward to "meeting" them soon.

Regards
Ann
NZ
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Hi, Patti my name is Jenn Tait my mom does all the e-mailing on the list but
I was just reading through and I thought that I would like to talk to you.
MY sister Julia has Aprerts she is turning three soon.  I want to let you
know that you are not alone I'm a 17 year old girl(I guess you could figure
that out) in grade 11 and I've never dated and I'm lonely for a boyfriend
also.  I have some advice about finding friends I've never been really good
with friends all through elementary school I was made fun of I used to come
home crying.  But Last year God blessed me with the bestest best friend that
I could never trade her in for the world.  I was not doing very well
ajusting to my new high school and I didn't have many friends but just out
of no where I met her.  I guess the whole point of this is to say that there
is someone just waiting for you.  I would like to be your friend over e-mail
if that's okay.  I have another e-mail that is my own it is
lilyflower2000@hotmail.com so you can write if you like.  Don't give up
hope, I know that there is someone out there not to far away waiting for you!

Jenn:)
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Richard Tait wrote:

> Hi, Patti my name is Jenn Tait my mom does all the e-mailing on the
> list but
> I was just reading through and I thought that I would like to talk to
> you.
> MY sister Julia has Aprerts she is turning three soon.  I want to let
> you
> know that you are not alone I'm a 17 year old girl(I guess you could
> figure
> that out) in grade 11 and I've never dated and I'm lonely for a
> boyfriend
> also.  I have some advice about finding friends I've never been really
> good
> with friends all through elementary school I was made fun of I used to
> come
> home crying.  But Last year God blessed me with the bestest best
> friend that
> I could never trade her in for the world.  I was not doing very well
> ajusting to my new high school and I didn't have many friends but just
> out
> of no where I met her.  I guess the whole point of this is to say that
> there
> is someone just waiting for you.  I would like to be your friend over
> e-mail
> if that's okay.  I have another e-mail that is my own it is
> lilyflower2000@hotmail.com so you can write if you like.  Don't give
> up
> hope, I know that there is someone out there not to far away waiting
> for you!
>
> Jenn:)

Hi Jenn,

My name is Kelly Spadini. I have Aperts Syndrome. I happened to come
across your e-mail and I thought it would be cool to e-mail you. Like
you, I am 17 years old. I have never dated anyone unless you count when
I went to Sadie Hawkins with someone I have known since preschool. So I
consider that more as us going as "friends". I have never had a
boyfriend. I have pretty good luck as far as friends are concerned. I
met my best friend last year. She is 4 months and 5 days older than me.
We have become very close and can't be without each other for very long.
We are often referred to as "partners in crime".=).

If you don't mind, I would love to get to know you over e-mail, and
Patti too if she wants.
I have my own e-mail address. It is libragirl18@hotmail.com. If you want
to know more about me, you can see my page on Teeter's page.

I hope to hear from you soon.

Bye for now,
Kelly
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Thanks to everyone who responded to my note about Samantha's upcoming surgery
on June 9th.  I've written everything down and am so happy to have tips of
what to bring.  It helped alot.

Love, Lisa Guyette
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Hi There!

I was just wondering if anyone got my e-mail from last week..about Kris
having her Quinceanera and her surgery date...no one seemed to talk about
it...this has happened three times already and I am just wondering
if,...maybe you all didn't get them???

Can someone remember??

Thanks,

Ruth Contreras (mother of Kris 15 y/o w/ Apert)

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> From: Howard & Ann <howrdnan@IHUG.CO.NZ>
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> Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 3:13 AM
>
> What a wonderful experience that all must have been for you and your
family, Dori.  You have every right to be proud of them.
>
> Congratulations to Delaney and her husband on their Special Day.
>
> And please continue sharing your good times.
>
> Hugs
> Ann
> NZ
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You bet!!  I love the pictures of everyone.  We look forward to seeing more
come in!

Liz

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Marilyn Williams [SMTP:Mbwill43@AOL.COM]
        Sent:   Wednesday, May 26, 1999 7:28 PM
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        HI LIZ, THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE PICTURE OF JAKE AND IS DAD. HE SURE
HAS GROWN
        SINCE THE SHOW. CRISTY SHOWED IT TO ME WHEN SHE GOT IT . TAKE CARE
AND THANKS
        AGAIN. MARILYN
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Thanks Sheila!  It is a very difficult time for us.  He was a very special
man.  A real family man and a devoted husband who loved his grand kids.  He
will be dearly missed.

Liz
 

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        From:   Sheila MacDonald [SMTP:SMacdo1030@AOL.COM]
        Sent:   Wednesday, May 26, 1999 10:07 PM
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        Dear Liz,
        Our sincere thoughts and prayers are with you at this time.  It is
one of the
        hardest things to go through in losing a parent.  I am sure that you
felt he
        was as close as a father the same way I feel about my father-in-law.
Wish
        your family well for us.
        God Bless,
        Sheila MacDonald (Paige's Mom)
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Good luck Andrea!  We'll all be thinking of you!!!

Liz Niemi & Family

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        Sent:   Wednesday, May 26, 1999 11:57 PM
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        Hi everyone,

        Well, the time has come.  In 2 hours I'll be on my way to Miami.
The surgery will start at 7:30.  They are going to make the eyes look
average and move them closer together, and heighten my nose, and round off
the upper side of my face.

        Thank you all for keeping me in your prayers.  Joanne, I hope things
get better for you.   I agree with what you said Jenn!    I hope Mitchell's
spot on the brain isn't serious.  Liz, sorry to hear about your father in
law.

        I'll be looking forward to reading e-mails when I get back!  :>)

        Take care,
        Andrea
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Thanks Joni!  My in-laws would have been married 40 years this August.  He
was a real gem!

Liz

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        Liz:
                Thinking about you and your family.  I am praying that the
Lord will
        give you strength and comfort in this time of sorrow and loss.

                                                Joni
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hello

my doctor said if I felt as good as I looked on paper, I'd be feeling
like a million bucks.  No adverse results from all of the tests, with the
exception of the mammogram which isn't in yet.  I have doctors orders to
seek counseling.  I went to a bookstore to find a "pick me up" without
all the strings.. marriage, children, serious relationships.  I'm a
single 34 year old and there isn't much out there for people in my
predicament.  I don't need to know how to cope with life as a married
person with or without kids.  I told my friend I was going to look for a
church that caters to the singles.  "Ha!" was her response.  We both know
it don't exist.

Joanne
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Raquel,

I would be more than happy to talk with either of these families if they
wish.  The thing that helped me the most after Jake was born, was talking
with other parents with Apert kids.  Please e-mail me off-line at
Liz.Niemi@nmb.norwest.com <mailto:Liz.Niemi@nmb.norwest.com>  and I will
give you my phone number to give to them.  It's important to give them
CORRECT information at this critical time.

Liz Niemi and Family (mom of Jake 18 mos. w/Aperts)

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        From:   Jack and Raquel [SMTP:jara1@BELLSOUTH.NET]
        Sent:   Tuesday, June 01, 1999 5:35 PM
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        Hi all,

        Just a few words to let you all know that our Aperts lists of birth
that
        we know of are growing here in Florida.  Just this past weekend we
        received two calls from two moms one was referred to us by our
        neurosurgeon and she called me for comfort and I feel so good that I
was
        able to give it to her.  Her daughters name is Jena she is 2 months
        old.  She thanked me for helping her she will be getting internet
access
        soon so hopefully she will be joining our list serv.  That same
        afternoon she was contacted by another Aperts mom whom was given her
        number by the nurses at the hospital where her baby was born.  She
then
        called me that same afternoon I spoke to her for a while and she
soon
        will be joining our listserv her baby Lauren is 2 weeks old.  It's
        amazing they both live about 2 hours from us and they live about 1/2
        hour from each other.  Babies born within a couple of months from
each
        other.  Sometimes I wonder if Aperts is still considered to be 1 in
        160,000.00 births...They are going through right now what the
majority
        of us have already gone through, that uncertanty of not knowing what
to
        do next and the feeling of are we doing enough.  I know that until
the
        surgeries start kicking in that is when you feel you are doing
        something, I know that is how I felt.  They will probably be going
to
        Nicki's doctors so that will be good, we can visit etc..

        Anyway their names are Tanya Tyson and Jill Brickman we will
hopefully
        soon see them joining our family...

        Take care

        Raquel Miller...
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RUTH, DON'T REMEMBER SEEING An E-MAIL FROM YOU, PLEASE GIVE US THE DETAILS
ABOUT THE SURGERY ETC., THANKS MARILYN
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Raquel:
Where in Fl. are Tanya and Jill?  We are in Lake Mary, Fl.... just north of
Orlando.  I would love to offer comfort and conversation, particularly if
they are close by.

Thanks in advance,
Alice in Orlando, Fl.
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Joanne,

I have heard those same words from my doctors for years...fortunately the
ones I pay are nicer about it than the one I live with, who says I am merely
a hypocondriac......which I probablly am, but still I don't agree wiht his
version of my diagnosis.

Regardless, glad to hear you are fine from a physical standpoint...at least
now you can concentrate on the spiritual/mental part. One less thing to worry
about
 
 

Jenn
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Hi Ruth

Your message certainly came through and the Quinceanera sounds a wonderful celebration for a young lady.  It must be a very exciting time for Kris leading up to this special day, and something for her to look forward to following her surgery last year.  Do we get some photos?

Hope it all goes fantastically.

Regards
Ann
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Hi all--
We're hosting a Boston-area get-together, as we do every year, for families
whose children have craniofacial conditions and for affected adults. Sheila,
Beth and Lynn--you three pop to mind as being Boston-area but I'm sure that
in my brain-overloaded state, I've missed some Listserv folks. The date is
Sunday, July 11th from 1 to 5 pm at our house in Lexington. Bring a bathing
suit. We'll swim and picnic and chat and play baseball. RSVP please to my
email (TFinch10@aol.com). Congrats Lynn on the new baby. Hope you can come!
Jeanne McD
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Dear Ruth,

I checked my e-mail again the this is the only one I have in regards to
Kris's Quinceanera.  I do not have one that give details of the event or
the date.  I would love to hear about it.

<Sorry I had not written in awhile, but I have been reading all of your
e-mails...I have been so busy ...as most of you know ...we are getting
ready to celebrate Kris Quinceanera...for those of you who don't know
what
it is..It is  BIG deal...A traditional Spanish Custom to celebrate a
young
womans life...Actually Kris will be 16 in July...but since she had a
surgery last year we postponed it for this year.  It is on Saturday ,
June
5...She is sooooo excited!!!!>

As far as the mid face, I can understand Kris' hesitation.  We certainly
felt that way last year.  However, it is behind us now and we are really
glad that we did.  The RED System sounds scarier than it must be.  We
were first offered that technique and turned it down because we couldn't
imagine Seth wearing it, although others have done so and had good
results.  We went with the internal distracter.  It worked well and Seth
looks great.  The Apert look is gone.

Ask Kris if it would help to see before and after pictures of Seth.  I
sent a set to Andrea and Kelly.  The set that Rachel Fletcher sent us
really gave us courage and helped to calm our fears.

Warmly, Dori
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Dear Dora,

Thank you for responding to my e-mail...Yes, Kris is super excited about
this Saturdays great event..she can not wait!

I told Laura Pulido  (MArtha Palacio) Mom that I would put her pictures in
the club as soon as I could....

Also, to Ann in NZ,, thanks for writing...It is promising to be the event
of her lifetime!!!!  Besides meeting Hakeem Olujowan  (basketball great)
and a favorite reporter that she absolutely loves....She is so excited!!!!

Pictures will be splashed around all over over the "club"...and of course,
I will be walking around like a "peacock"...

See YA!!  I STILL don't have my dress...actually it has been narrowed down
to 3...after trying on 30 million ( or so it seems)
I have to get it today or else I will not have time tomorrow!!!

Hasta la vista mis amigos!!!!

Ruth "Proud Peacock" Contreras

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> From: Dora Jefferson <dajeff@SIU.EDU>
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> Subject: Re: Quinceanera and Mid face
> Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 9:31 AM
>
> Dear Ruth,
>
> I checked my e-mail again the this is the only one I have in regards to
> Kris's Quinceanera.  I do not have one that give details of the event or
> the date.  I would love to hear about it.
>
> <Sorry I had not written in awhile, but I have been reading all of your
> e-mails...I have been so busy ...as most of you know ...we are getting
> ready to celebrate Kris Quinceanera...for those of you who don't know
> what
> it is..It is  BIG deal...A traditional Spanish Custom to celebrate a
> young
> womans life...Actually Kris will be 16 in July...but since she had a
> surgery last year we postponed it for this year.  It is on Saturday ,
> June
> 5...She is sooooo excited!!!!>
>
> As far as the mid face, I can understand Kris' hesitation.  We certainly
> felt that way last year.  However, it is behind us now and we are really
> glad that we did.  The RED System sounds scarier than it must be.  We
> were first offered that technique and turned it down because we couldn't
> imagine Seth wearing it, although others have done so and had good
> results.  We went with the internal distracter.  It worked well and Seth
> looks great.  The Apert look is gone.
>
> Ask Kris if it would help to see before and after pictures of Seth.  I
> sent a set to Andrea and Kelly.  The set that Rachel Fletcher sent us
> really gave us courage and helped to calm our fears.
>
> Warmly, Dori
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I didn't realize that there is also an internal distracter!  Who did the
surgery on Seth again??  Also, who is the doctor in Texas that has been
performing the majority of the mid-face advancements on Apert kids??  If
this was told before, I missed it.

Thanks,

Liz Niemi and Family

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Dora Jefferson [SMTP:dajeff@SIU.EDU]
        Sent:   Thursday, June 03, 1999 9:32 AM
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        Subject:        Re: Quinceanera and Mid face

        Dear Ruth,

        I checked my e-mail again the this is the only one I have in regards
to
        Kris's Quinceanera.  I do not have one that give details of the
event or
        the date.  I would love to hear about it.

        <Sorry I had not written in awhile, but I have been reading all of
your
        e-mails...I have been so busy ...as most of you know ...we are
getting
        ready to celebrate Kris Quinceanera...for those of you who don't
know
        what
        it is..It is  BIG deal...A traditional Spanish Custom to celebrate a
        young
        womans life...Actually Kris will be 16 in July...but since she had a
        surgery last year we postponed it for this year.  It is on Saturday
,
        June
        5...She is sooooo excited!!!!>

        As far as the mid face, I can understand Kris' hesitation.  We
certainly
        felt that way last year.  However, it is behind us now and we are
really
        glad that we did.  The RED System sounds scarier than it must be.
We
        were first offered that technique and turned it down because we
couldn't
        imagine Seth wearing it, although others have done so and had good
        results.  We went with the internal distracter.  It worked well and
Seth
        looks great.  The Apert look is gone.

        Ask Kris if it would help to see before and after pictures of Seth.
I
        sent a set to Andrea and Kelly.  The set that Rachel Fletcher sent
us
        really gave us courage and helped to calm our fears.

        Warmly, Dori
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Lisa,

Thanks so much for the well wishes regarding my father-in-law.

I totally relate to how you're feeling about surgeries and doctor's
appointments, etc.  After Jake was born, I never realized how deeply
involved we were going to be in working with health care professionals.
After awhile, I realized that if you are not getting the answers to your
questions, move on!!  Don't let the red tape get in the way.  These people
are here to work for you and your daughter.  If they are not interested in
what is best for her, get someone who is!  We've run into a couple of
situations with surgeons, which today, still chaps my hide.  Don't let them
treat you like CRAP!  I usually take Jake to most of his appointments.  One
ENT surgeon we had, continually blew me off while in his clinic.  When my
husband would come with me, things were TOTALLY different.  He was polite,
answered all MY HUSBHAND'S questions, and never once looked at me!  That
didn't last long!!  Be your child's advocate, and don't let the system or
anyone else get in your way of what YOU feel is best for your daughter.

Like you, I also felt I was doing Jake an injustice by making him go through
all these surgeries.  I knew he'd never remember them, and he ALWAYS
recovered right away, with a smile of course.  But handing him over to the
doctors before surgery made me feel like a failure.  Like he's supposed to
trust me, and here I am, inflicting all this physical pain on him.  I know
it's for his own good, and hopefully, someday he'll say "Thanks Mom."
Believe me, the doctor's appointments become less, the surgeries less and
the illnesses less.  Pretty soon, you'll be saying "she can be a kid now",
like I did only one month ago about Jake.

You're doing a great job for her...don't forget it!!

Take care,

Liz Niemi and Family
 

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        From:   Lisa Guyette [SMTP:LAM1126@AOL.COM]
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        Liz: I'm so sorry to hear about your father in law.  My thoughts and
prayers
        are with you.

        Andrea: I'm so excited for you.  I can't wait to read about how you
like the
        results.

        This has been a hard week.  It started with problems I'm having with
        disability which I will go into at another time, because I really
want to
        make this a crucade of mine.  But we moved this week and while the
movers
        were moving our things, I had to take Samantha for her six month
followup.
        Her peditrician said that he is really happy with how she's doing.
Just with
        her cleft palate alone that she has never been sick is great.  He
cleaned her
        ears and it was tramatic for her and then she got a shot for hep b.
He then
        said he was concerned with her head size (my hat therory might not
be so
        stupid after all).  He said he was going to tell her neurosurgeon.
I said we
        were scheduled for a MRI of brain on 9th a week before her finger
surgery.
        He said ok.

        That next day I got pictures from Christy Williams of Carlee a week
after her
        cranial surgery.  I also got to see the zig zag incision.  It was
good to see
        how she looks happy and fine one week later.  Well a few hours later
her
        neurosurgeon's office called and said that they had schduled her for
a MRI
        the next morning.  I called her case manager to see if we needed to
also see
        plastic surgeon like was scheduled for the 9th.  If there was a need
for her
        first cranial then I wanted to be prepared.  Thank God for her
because since
        my birth I do not want anymore surprises.  She said no because this
is to see
        if she has hydracepalus(spelling?) and he wouldn't be involved with
a shunt
        operation.  Her doctor never indicated that he thought this.  I
called him
        and he said yes he was very concerned.

        My father came with me and Samantha again fought being put under.
She was
        hungry and hysterical and wouldn't go under for a hour.  Then the
minute she
        was done she woke up and screamed and screamed.  Her doctor kept
going into
        other surgeries so we didn't get to see him for six hours.   I was a
wreck
        dropping cokes and realizing that I'm the momma.  Something that at
38 years
        old is new.  I've got to be strong for her.

        Finally we found out that he doesnt think she has fluid of brain,
but that
        her brain did grow much quicker than anticipated and she has to have
the
        cranial surgery within ten days.  So we are schduled for June 9th.
Her
        fingers are postponed.

        This is something we've known since the day she was born, but you
all know
        it's so hard.  I'm scared that they well screw up.  I'm not really
big right
        now on doctors. This week is now a worldwind of giving blood,
getting her
        therapies in, trying to just go ten more days of her never being
sick, get
        her preops etc.  But my main goal is that we moved Wed into a new
house and
        it's been crazy.  I want to get her in a comfortable routine so she
has it to
        come home to.

        I'd be grateful for any tips about our hospital stay also if you
can.
        Especially things no one thinks about to take for the baby and
myself.  We
        live over a hour away but both our parents live close to hospital.
I plan to
        stay with her.

        I worry that her spirit will be hurt.  She didn't smile for two days
after
        the doc and MRI.  It's like I'm watching her trust go away.

        I feel like these past six months we've just been dabbling with the
Apert
        Syndrome and now will be going full fledge so to say.

        Thanks all for listening.

        Love, Lisa Guyette
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Hi, Alice and Cristy,

To answer your questions about where the new families I spoke to are
from, Tanya Tyson is from Okeechobee in the Palm Beach area and Jill
Brickman is from Hobe Sound just north of Jupiter both in the Palm Beach
area.  So they are approximately anywhere between 1-2 hours from us
(depending on traffic).

Cristy, we are not from Orlando we are from the Ft. Lauderdale area..Our
city is called Weston we are west of Ft. Lauderdale a couple of miles
from the everglades.  And yes we are going to Myrtle Beach....We are
very excited...and very much looking forward to meeting everyone....See
you there.....

Raquel Miller....
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Thanks so much for a wonderful letter.  I can see the light at the end of the
tunnel when I hear that Jake is living a regular life now.  Thank God huh for
this network.

Love Lisa
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Hello Paul:
Welcome to the listserv!  Tell us about yourself.  Where do you live?  How
old are you?..... Anything you would like to share.  This is a wonderful
place to be and we are glad you have joined us.  I have a daughter, Shirley,
who has Apert.  She will be 6 years old on the 9th.
Hope to hear from you again soon,
Alice in Orlando, Fl.
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HI RACQUEL, GOT NICKI'S PICTURE TODAY AND WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THEM, SHE IS
A DOLL CAN'T WAIT TO MEET YOU GUYS IN MYRTLEBCH. SEE YOU THERE. MARILYN
CARLEE'S GRANNY
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Hi Paul.
 Welcome to the family.  My name is Stephanie Tingley and I have a daughter
with Apert.  Her name is Carroline we live in Illinois.  Where are you
from?  This Listserv is a  wonderful group of people.

Cristy give Carlee a big Birthday hug and kiss from me.  See you all at
Myrtle Beach in one week.  I can't wait I feel like a little kid.

Stephanie and Carroline
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Liz--

I believe you are referring to Dr. Fearon in Dallas.   Also, Dr. Salyer's
group is doing them.

Brenda
Houston
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Paul-

Hi!  This is Brenda Siebert in Houston.  We met you in medical city when our
son Jonathan had his cranial vault surgery with Dr. Salyer.  We are so glad
you finally decided to join our listserver.  We think of you often and hope
that you are still doing great.  Are you still working in the ICU?  Let us
know what's new in your life.  We will be in Dallas for an MRI and visit with
Dr. S. on June 21 and 22nd.

Take Care--
Brenda (Hi from the rest of the gang)
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Ann--

Where did you get the info re US births at 1 in 60,000?  Everything that I
have ever received and read always said 1 in 160,000.  I would love to know
if there is new data out there especially since when Jonathan was born we
were given a very negative and dismal forecast from the medical text that we
received in the hospital.  What a great victory if someone is actually
updating this stuff and getting it to new parents.

Just courious--
Brenda
Houston
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Dear Lisa:
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OOPS, sorry.

I am kind of late sending this, but hopefully it will help.  One of the
things we have learned with Emily, (almost 2) is that instead of putting the
mask over her nose and mouth, if they put it off to the side and she can
breathe in, she will go out and they can then put it over her.  It's less
traumatic for the kids.  That's what we have them do with Emily now.  Also,
one of us always goes in with her (usually my husband) so that it's our face
she sees last and not a stranger.  It's never easy, though.

As far as the hospital and the cranial surgery, in case nobody told you yet,
expect her to be swollen and eyes shut for a day or so, possible a little
black and blue.  She will be on IV and not eating or drinking until possible
the 2nd day or so, although everyone is different.  Even though everyone told
me Emily would have tubes coming out of every part of her body, it was still
a shock to see.  I guess I didn't realize that the ventilator would be
breathing for her as well.  That was also for approx. 2 days because she had
some congestion in her lungs from it and they wanted to make sure there was
no infection.

We put some pictures up of her brother and us in the crib area and you might
want to bring anything familiar to her for when she wakes up.  We didn't
bother with pajamas, just left her in the hosp. gown.  Emily was 2 and a half
months when she had her cranial surgery.  I didn't want to move her the first
couple of days.

For yourself, try to get as much rest over the next couple of days.  It's a
very stressful and emotional time.  If I can answer anything else, please
e-mail me directly Yonstein@aol.com.

Best wishes,

Janine Krebs
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WELCOME PAUL

We are the Krebs family from New York.  Emily, my daughter, is almost 2 with
Apert syndrome.  Where are you from?  How old are you?  Would love to hear
more about you.

Best wishes,

Janine Krebs
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Good luck to Kris tomorrow, enjoy your day and Mom, too.  Sounds like a great
time.

Hope you got your dress, Ruth.

Enjoy, can't wait to see the pictures.

Janine Krebs
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Hello all:

I was just in the apert chat discussions and there is a post from April 23rd
from someone looking for Emily's family.  I thought it was my Emily since I
don't know of another one.

Anyway, it's not.  They are looking for a family from Central Wisconsin with
a daughter Emily about 4 years old.  They met in Cincinnati Children's Hosp.
last fall.

Anyway, if anyone knows of this family, please e-mail Leah at
Noah1@mn.tds.net.

Janine

PS.  If you want to read the letter to to the excite community at apert chat
and it's in the discussions.
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Thanks Brenda!

Liz

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        Liz--

        I believe you are referring to Dr. Fearon in Dallas.   Also, Dr.
Salyer's
        group is doing them.

        Brenda
        Houston
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Hi Paul!

Welcome to the group!!  We're excited to have you with us.  My name is Liz
Niemi, and I have a son named Jake with Apert Syndrome.  He will be 19
months old next week.  Hope all is going well with you.  Please write and
tell us more about yourself when you get a minute.

Liz Niemi and Family

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        HELLOI EVEYBODYmy name is paul uhrig and i have aperts and just want
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Brenda,

Is Dr. Sayler also in Dallas??

Liz

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        Liz--

        I believe you are referring to Dr. Fearon in Dallas.   Also, Dr.
Salyer's
        group is doing them.

        Brenda
        Houston
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Janine,
Thank you for all of the information.  If Samantha has trouble with the mask
over her face, I won't feel so helpless with your advise about putting it to
the side.  Regarding the swellling.  I saw a documentary of a child with Down
Syndrome whose parents had plastic surgery done on him.  This has somewhat
prepared me for the swelling, bruising and eyes shut.  But I'm sure I won't
be prepared enough.  I was watching Samantha happily playing on her playmat
today and felt so bad that she doesn't know what is coming.   I'm really
grateful to be getting somewhat prepared with your help and everyone else
that has responded to my email.

Ruth:  Can't wait to hear about your daughter's big day.

Paul:  Welcome to the network.  My daughter Samantha has Apert Syndrome.  She
will be seven months next week.  She will also be having her first cranial
and first surgery next week.  Look forward to hearing more about and from you.

Samantha's neurosurgeon said that this surgery will not help her forehead.
Her plastic surgeon said it could.  Has anyone else noticed if any changes
came of the protruding forheard after the surgery to the back of the head.
The reason why I'm asking is that Samantha is having such trouble doing
things because of the weight of the forhead.  She can't keep her head up very
long on tummy, in highchair, while I hold her, etc.  I've had to stop putting
her on her swing because she was only comfortable if she laid her head to
side and was getting close to banging her head on back legs of her swing.
We just feel that there might be hope of some balance if her brain is able to
grow out the back to balance the front.  I understand (finally) that the size
of her forhead is an illusion due to the underdevelop midface.

Everyone have a good weekend.

Love, Lisa Guyette
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Lisa:
In response to your question regarding Samantha's forehead:  I remember my
Shirley could not hold her head up for a long time.  I don't remember how old
she was, but it was much longer than kids without Apert.  It was the large
size of her head and not her forehead, however.  Her body eventually grew to
"catch up" with her head and she started being able to hold her head up.
Also, as Shirley grew, her head improved with maturity, as did her breathing,
etc.  Shirley's nose constantly ran for about the first 3 years of her life.
Around 3 years, it stopped running.

We  and our children go through so much the first 2 years of their life, but
there is light at the end of the 2 year tunnel.  So many things simmer down
around this time; mainly the need for a surgery every two months.

Always love to you all,
Alice in Orlando, Fl.
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Hi all,
I just finished a project on the mutation that causes Apert syndrome for a
biology class that I took last semester (I'm getting a master's to teach high
school science).  Very interesting stuff, at least for me. Most researchers
put the incidence at 1/65,000 but as you guys have noticed the "official"
numbers vary. There are a couple of reasons, as I understand it...There is no
national office that collects the data on those born with Apert syndrome.
Another reason is that a fetus may have the syndrome but not progress to
birth. Sometimes incidence rates try to get at the total numbers of
conceptions with the syndrome, not simply babies born. One researcher
(Michael Cohen in Nova Scotia, I think) came up with the 1 in 65,000 by
analyzing birth records from one state. But for a condition as rare as Apert,
the numbers from one large group may not generalize to the entire population.
Anyway, I like to think that these numbers tell us what we already know--the
syndrome is rare and that there is uncertainty. Best--Jeanne, Nate's mom in
Boston
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Date:         Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:26:35 EDT
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I don't know what your docs have told you to expect, but this first surgery
dramatically changed Jordans forhead....it basically gave him one, and also
an orbital bandeau (a place for the eyebrows to sit), an his plastic surgeon
also built him a bridge for his nose, so there wouldn't be a gap. While he
has recessed some, not nearly as bad as everyone predicted....no thay may be
b/c his Dr. REALLY advanced his forhead to allow for future growth. I can't
remember the amount, I think 3-5mm......Its been almost 1 1/2 yrs...and 8
surgeries ago, so my mind is fuzzy.

Also, as far as the surgery goes...NOTHING can prepare you for immediate
post-op...for me it was the swelling, not of the head, but of the
limbs....hands, feet, arms, and legs. I also put up a picture of Jordan at
his bedside, so everyone would know what the "real " unswollen, no black and
blue , no ventilator, IVs, etc...looked like.

He was a trooper....besides being a little fussy, he was only 5 months
though, we came home in 6 days, and he even continued to sleep through the
night. Our worst problem was w/ reflux, and hopefully you don't have that to
contend with...if so, I reccomnmend Zofran (keeps nausea and vomiting at bay)
and lots of it!!! Although, even when Jordan outgrew his reflex, we continued
w/ the Zofran. It really made the difference between him being alert, happy
and ready to head home.....or miserable, not wanting to eat/drink, or even
sit up. Within 3 minutes of putting it in his IV hes like a new person. So I
reccommend it be given as they come out of anesthesia, like I said when its
given this way, at least for Jordan, its like night and day.

God Luck to you...it'll be a long day, and a long 2-3 days in ICU, but each
day things get a little better...and soon you'll be home and won't believe
what happened a week ago!!

Jenn (Columbus, Ohio)
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Date:         Sat, 5 Jun 1999 09:01:49 -0400
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From:         Mechelle Holt <MOM-POOH-of-2@WEBTV.NET>
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Hi lisa,
  When Courtney was in her swing, she done the same thing.  We rolled up
receiving blankets, and put one on each side of her, so she couldn't
bang her head.  This worked for us!
Mechelle
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Date:         Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:49:07 EDT
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Hello to all

Tim has certainly been keeping me busy these days...as are my other two
children.  Today Tim swim in a competition at Wheaton College for the New
England WheelChair Champions. Although Tim is not in a wheelchair, this
competition is open to anyone with a physical disability.  Tim qualified for
the nationals in freestyle and breaststroke. We are very proud of him.  I
don't have the details on when and where the nationals are...Tim said it's in
New Mexico!  Now that's a looong commute :)  !!

My youngest son was in his first play last night and my daughter, who is a
sophomore at Suffolk University, just completed a great season as starting
shortstop on the softball team.  This spring has been busy but fun for us.
After our recent losses of my Dad and my brother, this stuff keeps me going.

Wish me luck on June 23rd; I am taking my comprehensive exams for my Master's
Degree in School Administration!!!  (This is in my spare time.)

Beth Tolson
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Date:         Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:03:50 +0000
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From:         "J. G. Lindamood" <chanan8@JUNO.COM>
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Hi!

I have a huge favor to ask of you all.  Here's the scoop:

My mom has been feeling guilty because she doesn't have a "magic wand" to
wave over me to make me feel better.  I have heard this every time I talk
with her.  The other day I told her I would find a "magic wand" for her
so she would feel better and blame the "magic wand" if it doesn't work.
Well, I am also good at "redirecting".  When my niece or nephews are
interested in something they shouldn't be, I can redirect really well.  I
have applied the redirect theory to my predicament, taking my mind off my
"down and out mood" with something else.  This magic wand has so far done
the trick.   Pardon the pun.

Here's where my favor comes in.  I am looking for one of those tubes,
that looks like a science lab test tube.  It has glitter and little
sparkle stuff floating in it.  Some have had "Where's Waldo?" (I don't
want that one).  I cannot find any in a fifteen mile radius of my home.
If any of you come across one of these things, I would be forever
grateful if you would get it to me.  I will pay for it and the shipping
plus some for the effort.  Talk to me before you buy it though, I have
seen some "look alikes" but not exactly what I want.  Yes, I'm the picky
one in my family.   Thank you!

Joanne, on a mission in humid Ohio.
chanan8@juno.com
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Date:         Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:30:40 -0500
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this is just a reminder that tomorrow is chat night if anyone needs to =
know.  It starts at 8: central.  See you there.

to all the beachbunnies.  Just four more days for us.  I am packing =
tomorrow!  guess I am excited, to be packing this far in advance.  i =
will see you all real soon.
i am going to be meeting with the Hill's and Liz at the airport in =
Atlanta Wed.  Just so you know,  I am planning on kidnapping Liz so we =
will be there with us.  Ha!

I would like to extend a big welcome to Paul!  so hello Paul,  you can =
always find a friend here!  but please tell us more about you.   We =
don't know your age or anything but we do have Mark out there.  He is at =
the ripe old age of 35, so hopefully yu will hear from him.  If it rains =
where he lives, he may be on apert chat tomorrow.  (Hey Mark,  Had to =
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Beth:  Good luck on your exams.  That's so inspiring.

Alice: Thanks for the information.  Samantha's problem is probably with her
whole head too.  It just seems like it's the forheard.   I'm glad to hear
that they grow into them.  I feel so bad for her.  Her mind is telling her to
do these things like get head up from tummy and she gets so frusterated.  I
also never had a time period for most of these surgery.  Now that she's seven
months, two years doesn't seem so long anymore.

Jenn:  Was this first surgery for Jordan to the back of the head?  That would
be wonderful if it helped her forhead.  Regarding the bridge of the nose, how
many times have you all heard "Hey, who's nose is that?"   Thanks for the tip
on the Zofran also.

Mechelle:  Thanks I will do that with the receiving blankets.  She loves the
swing so much I really hated to stop her using it.

I can't tell you how wonderful it is to be able to come on the internet and
have answers to things that worry me.   We have a wonderful family and friend
support, but with this rare syndrome and all it entails we are alone yet
surrounded by so many.  Even our doctors and therapists don't have the
answers.  But the experience of those who have been through it are where we
get our answers.  And I will do the same to those who come after my
experiences.   I cannot imagine what this must of be like to the Sears and
all the others who didn't have this network when their children were born.

While I was just writing, in the back of my mind is the worry of Samantha's
surgery, and I think I just got a sign from God.  Her surgeon was just
speaking on a telethon for Children's Hospitals.  They showed a little girl
he gave brain surgery to and she is doing great.

If I don't speak to you all before Samantha's surgery Wednesday am, I just
want to wish all of those who are getting together next weekend a wonderful
time.  And we look forward to joining you next year.  I can't wait to hear
all about it.

Love, Lisa Guyette
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No, Jordan didn't have any suture fusion beyond his bicoronal
(front).....now, I guess if the 1st surgery is the posterior release there
would be no forhead changes!!

Jenn
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Hello Everyone,

Today we went back to the ICN (Intensive Care Nursery) reunion in Sioux =
Falls, SD.  I took along the pictures that I have gotten from the =
picture exchange.  The nurses and doctors thought this was just =
wonderful.  This reunion is always the same weekend as the CMN Telethon. =
 They did broadcast live from the reunion but Lisa did not want to be on =
TV this year.  She was too busy with her 1st mom (This is a nurse who =
had Lisa alot when she was born and they have a special bond)

The doctors and nurses were so amazed at how all of these kids have =
similarities.  We just got Nicole Miller's picture on Friday and I want =
to tell Jack and Raquel that Nicole and Lisa could pass as twins.  When =
Lisa was that age she looked just like Nicole.  (Jack & Raquel did you =
get a picture of Lisa?)

I told them that we are on a listserv and that there are alot of E-Mails =
that come our way from other parents.  They were just so happy for us =
because Lisa is the only Aperts child they have ever had in that =
hospital.  (They are well known also)

They said that the listserv must be somewhat of a support group and I =
said it is.    They could not believe that Lisa is going to be 10 years =
old next month.  (She is so tiny for her age).  They told us how =
wonderful she looked and that really made us feel good.  There were a =
couple of nurses that asked where Lisa was and she was standing right =
next to us and they could not believe it was her.  (Some of the nurses =
had not seen her for a few years because they always have to work this =
weekend and rarely get out to the reunion )  They did not recognize her. =
 Her appearance had changed so much since her last Cranialfacial that =
she had done in 1997. =20

In Minnesota we are having an Aperts picnic and we are looking so =
forward to that.  I have talked on the phone to 3 different families =
(Niemi's, Thomas' and Hornings) and told them today that we are just =
excited about the picnic.  It will be fun to meet these people in =
person.

They were surprised today to hear that we have come in contact with so =
many different families through this listserv. (Thanks to you Don for =
getting this set up)  The doctors and nurses thought that all of the =
kids were very cute.  They all looked happy and I said this seems to be =
a trend with these kids.  I said also that I thought the majority of =
them were thin like Lisa is too.

I will let you go but I thought I would share the comments today with =
you all on the listserv. =20

Keep the pictures coming.  They are wonderful.

Deb Picht
Marshall, MN =20
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Telethon.&nbsp; They did broadcast live from the reunion but Lisa did =
not want=20
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a nurse=20
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bond)</FONT></DIV>
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age).&nbsp;=20
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good.&nbsp;=20
There were a couple of nurses that asked where Lisa was and she was =
standing=20
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the=20
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this=20
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her.&nbsp; Her appearance had changed so much since her last =
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Lisa--

Jonathan's first surgery at 5 months was to release the coronal sutures and
do a forehead and orbital advancement.  They too built a bridge for his nose.
 Jonathan's 1st forehead advancement was 11 mil.  The second surgery (total
cranial vault--they put the back of his skull on the front and the front on
the back) they advanced the forehead 20 ml. They also lowered the heigth of
his head about 1 1/2 inches.  Sam's balance will improve with time.  I know
Jonathan seemed top heavy before he started walking but all of a sudden he
become more poised and in better control of his head at around 6-9 months.
We will be praying for you on Wed.

Brenda
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Jeanne--

Thanks for the info.  What other interesting things regarding causes of the
mutation did you learn that might be of interest to us?  I'm always seeking
more info. in this area even though I know I should just accept what all the
professionals have told me "they don't know what causes the mutation" and put
it to rest.  The analytical part of me craves more info.  Feel free to email
me directly if you prefer.

Brenda
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Beth--

It sounds like you have alot to be happy about these days.  There's nothing
like those proud moments when our kids are shining.  Best of luck to you on
your exams.  I keep thinking I'd like to go back to school in my spare time
but I think I'll wait until Jonathan is at least in first grade.  I'll be 45
then, is that crazy of what?

Brenda
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Liz,

Dr. Salyer is a world reknown cranialfacial plastic surgeon in Medical City,
Dallas.  It is the same cranialfacial foundation as Dr. Fearon.  Their
offices are just a few doors from each other but they are separate practices.
 Dr. Fearon took over for Dr. Monroe when he retired and Dr. Salyer and Dr.
Monroe were partners many years ago.  Dr. Salyer trained with Dr. Tessier
from France as well.  I can't say enough about Dr. Salyer's experience and
knowledge in the cranialfacial dept.  Let me know if you need any specific
information.

Brenda
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Thanks for sharing your special day.  It sounds like a very rewarding
experience.

Brenda
Houston
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We were honored to be a quest at Kris' special day and I have to tell
everyone how absolutely beautiful she looked.  The entire ceremony and
reception was as lovely as a wedding and I can't imagine having to top this.
A video was shown of Kris' past 15 years and I cried so much you would have
thought it was my daughter.

Kris was given a wonderful surprise trip to Disneyworld by her parents and
was very excited.

Just wanted to share a very special day with a very special family.

Brenda

Ruth--Thank you so much and get some much deserved R and R on your trip.
Hope to see photos later.
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Lisa,

Just to let you know, I looked up Jordans records and his orbital advancement
was 13mm. One of those thngs that was bugging me that I couldn't remember.

Good Luck...we'll be thinking of ya'll

Jenn
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Subject:      I'M HOME
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Hi everyone,

I'm finally home!  I came back from the hospital Saturday night =
actually.  I am doing pretty good.  I am very shocked with the results.  =
In fact Dr. Wolfe did more then we thought he would.  I still have =
stitches in the corner of my eyes so I can't really see the actual =
result there.  Hopefully, Im going to have them removed Wednsday.  =20

My cat Bear, was giving me the longest stare today.  I think he's =
realizing somethings different about me.
I hope everyone is doing well.  I got 116+ messages that I'm looking =
forward to reading.  Thank you all for keeping me in your prayers.  It =
helped a lot!

HAVE FUN IN MYRTLE BEACH!=20

-Andrea

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Hi,

I've been lurking in the background, reading all the e mails, my son Richard
has aperts, he is due for more surgery on his mid face . Which the doctors
now tell will be carried out when he is 12yrs old , do they have different
time scales from where you are from? We are from Wales in the United Kingdom.

He also has to have an operation on his knee this year , due to his joint not
supporting his knee cap , Would anyone have a similar problem .

Thanks for a great Web Site , Thanks for all the replys I have had, i mainly
just hang around reading all the mail. Its great to hear from other family's.
 

Sandra , Andrew, Boys.

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Andrea,

It's great to hear your're home and doing fine.  Have a speedy recovery!

Judy
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Date:         Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:56:17 EDT
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Welcome Paul,
     My daughter Mallory is 12. We live in Tennessee.
     Diane in hot and muggy Tn.
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Hello Everybody!

Welcome Home Andrea!  And congratulations to Kris! cant wait to see the
pictures!

It's amazing what a little toy can do for your soul.  Even though I don't
actually have the coveted "magic wand" I am getting close and my morale
is boosted.  I have located two places  that carries the wands.  Amy in
Columbus directed me to a toy store that carries the wands with a
kaleidoscope to boot.  Thanks Amy!  Plus there's a small toy store near
here that carries them, but are currently out of stock.  So, before I get
swamped with info, I'm calling the hunt a success and will let you know
when I get the silly thing!  You all out there in Columbus, want to meet
at The Continent any time soon????

I had my first appointment with my counselor today, there's another place
to go to feel better.  I don't know what it is about people with degrees
in psychology, but they do know what buttons to push to help you feel
better!  I have been challenged, which is what I needed, and there is a
faint light at the end of the tunnel!

Joanne in, where did this humidity come from?, Ohio.
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Andrea,

We would love to see the results!!  Anytime you can send us pictures, or
have Don post them on Teeter's page would be wonderful.  Take care of
yourself, and recover quickly.  Glad to hear you're doing well.

Liz Niemi and Family (son Jake 19 mos. w/Aperts)

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        From:   Andrea Gartner [SMTP:agartner@PEGANET.NET]
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        Hi everyone,

        I'm finally home!  I came back from the hospital Saturday night
actually.  I am doing pretty good.  I am very shocked with the results.  In
fact Dr. Wolfe did more then we thought he would.  I still have stitches in
the corner of my eyes so I can't really see the actual result there.
Hopefully, Im going to have them removed Wednsday.

        My cat Bear, was giving me the longest stare today.  I think he's
realizing somethings different about me.
        I hope everyone is doing well.  I got 116+ messages that I'm looking
forward to reading.  Thank you all for keeping me in your prayers.  It
helped a lot!

        HAVE FUN IN MYRTLE BEACH!

        -Andrea
 

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Mary and Bob Horning:

Just wanted to say thank you for the nice card regarding my father-in-law.
We're really excited to see you guys at the picnic next month.  By the way,
we just took Jake to see Dr. Sundberg today.  He's really a nice guy.  He
told me Krista is one of his patients (well, actually I guessed).  Seems
like we won't be needing to do anything with Jake's feet, at least not for
awhile.  Where do you buy shoes for Krista?  Dr. Sundberg suggested
Nordstroms at the Mall of America.

Again, thanks for the very nice card.  I liked Andrew's signature:-) !!

Liz Niemi and Family
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Yes, Deb we received Lisa's picture and she is a lovely girl.  It is
amazing how alike our kids look.  Obviously the kids in the picture
exchange look more like they would be Nicole's brothers or sisters than
her true siblings.  Every time we get a new picture my husband and I
comment on how much that child resembles Nicki.

Take care,

Raquel.....

Randy & Deb Picht wrote:

>  Hello Everyone,   The doctors and nurses were so amazed at how all of
> these kids have similarities.  We just got Nicole Miller's picture on
> Friday and I want to tell Jack and Raquel that Nicole and Lisa could
> pass as twins.  When Lisa was that age she looked just like Nicole.
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Yes, Deb we received Lisa's picture and she is a lovely girl.&nbsp; It
is amazing how alike our kids look.&nbsp; Obviously the kids in the picture
exchange look more like they would be Nicole's brothers or sisters than
her true siblings.&nbsp; Every time we get a new picture my husband and
I comment on how much that child resembles Nicki.

<P>Take care,

<P>Raquel.....

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Andrea,

So glad to hear that you are home and doing well.  I'm glad everything
turned out and that Dr. Wolfe was able to do more than expected.  Maybe
next time you come down to Miami for a follow up visit or something we
can get together and meet.  Anyway a wish for a speedy recovery is
coming your way from the Miller family.

GET WELL SOON....

Raquel in rainy south Florida...
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Count down for Myrtle Beach.....we are soooo excited....Just a quick
question for the South Carolinians out there (Cat/Don) how's the weather
up there??? Do you guys have any idea if funky weather might be
developing.....We are really rainy down here in South FLA.......I hope
we get a lot of that South Carolina sun...If not Judy will have us all
beat with her I got a sun tan a few days in advance....(cheater).....

See you all there...

Raquel Miller...
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We are all sooo excited, too!!  So far the weather here has been good.  It's
not really that hot - around 90-95 here in Columbia.  Myrtle Beach is usually
a bit cooler.  I have not watched the news lately since I had to work all
weekend, but on Friday, they were still calling for 90+ weather through
Tuesday.  We are under a pre-drought situation in our state, so they are
asking everyone to conserve water.  It hasn't rained here in a long time.
When it does rain at the beach, it is usually just a late afternoon
thunderstorm which passes quickly.  I will check my local forecast tonight
and let you know what to expect for the next 5 days anyway.  I can't wait to
meet you and everyone else!!!  I will make this an annual event, even if it's
just a few people.  So anyone not going, make your plans now for next year!!!
Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait......
Love,
Cathie
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Hi Raquel, it's me again. I just checked my local forecast and it will be in
the mid 90's through Friday with a chance of an isolated thundershower on
Friday.  This forecast is for Columbia of course, but we are only 2 hrs and
45 mins. from Myrtle Beach, so the weather will be about the same.  I will
say it again......
I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait.....
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Hi All, Patti from California here......
It's been a long time, lately just been lurking.  I wanted to let you all
know that Jasmyn has had her mid-face, using the distractor device design by
Dr, Steve Cohen.
We had a nice blessing in that he came into town to do the surgery himself.
She is three days out of surgery now, and getting ready to be released from
ICU.  She did have to have a transfusion for 2 pints during surgery, but so
far all else is fine.  Please keep her in your prayers.  I haven't said
anything prior because I was afraid of jinxing the whole thing.  This surgery
was cancelled 5 times prior to getting it done!!  Back to the hospital I
go...... :)
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Andrea--

Way to go girl!  We're so happy for you.  It sounds like everything went well
and that you are feeling okay.  Best wishes for your continued recovery.

Brenda
Houston
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Patti--

Wishing you some rest and glad you were able to share the news with us.
Jasmyn looked so wonderful in the photos from last year I didn't even realize
she was due for a midface.  Sorry you had to go through all those
cancellations.  That is very frustrating for all concerned.  It sounds like
all went well and we will be anxious for an update.

Brenda
Houston
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For the beach crew,  You can go to www.accuweather.com and get the five day
forcast.  I checked it earlier today and it looks real good.  Mid 80's  for
the five day I seen tody with no major rain.
Yes everyone,  I HAVE cheated on my tan,  I had to,  I can tan here but the
sun works much better with me in the south.  My bags are pretty much packed
and I am ready!!!!!  See yu soon 'my family"

Judy
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> Count down for Myrtle Beach.....we are soooo excited....Just a quick
> question for the South Carolinians out there (Cat/Don) how's the weather
> up there??? Do you guys have any idea if funky weather might be
> developing.....We are really rainy down here in South FLA.......I hope
> we get a lot of that South Carolina sun...If not Judy will have us all
> beat with her I got a sun tan a few days in advance....(cheater).....
>
> See you all there...
>
> Raquel Miller...
>
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Date:         Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:41:46 -0500
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Patti,

Tell that beautiful little girl that we are rooting for her in Illinois! =
 Have a speedy recovery!

Judy
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Date:         Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:00:04 -0600
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Hello everyone!  Sorry I have not responded lately, but we have been
swamped here with vacation bible school, ballgames, and etc.
        Daryl is doing great!  The tendon transplant took about 2 hrs and
it worked!!!!  This is the first time his thumbs have healed apart from the
fingers.  We did the right thumb first.  I was always agressive in his
wrapping of his hands, but his web space was so tight and would almost
immediatley adhere together.  His thumb would not move away from the other
fingers and eventually the grafts would grow together.  His thumb looks
great and has a deep web space!  I am so excited, and can't wait to do his
left thumb in the fall!  We are wanting to have a normal summer this year.

Thanks to everyone for keeping us in your thoughts!
 

                                Denise Graham
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Hi Patti!

Glad to hear surgery was able to take place.  It's so hard when things get
cancelled like that.  Take care of yourself and Jasmyn too.   We all know
how exhausting hospital stays can be.  We'll be thinking and praying for you
both.

Liz Niemi and Family

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(#1999-154)

        Hi All, Patti from California here......
        It's been a long time, lately just been lurking.  I wanted to let
you all
        know that Jasmyn has had her mid-face, using the distractor device
design by
        Dr, Steve Cohen.
        We had a nice blessing in that he came into town to do the surgery
himself.
        She is three days out of surgery now, and getting ready to be
released from
        ICU.  She did have to have a transfusion for 2 pints during surgery,
but so
        far all else is fine.  Please keep her in your prayers.  I haven't
said
        anything prior because I was afraid of jinxing the whole thing.
This surgery
        was cancelled 5 times prior to getting it done!!  Back to the
hospital I
        go...... :)