Lisa,
No, I don't think you are overreacting. I would have wanted someone
to tell me.
Definitely. Communication with and between health care providers
has been one of
our biggest problems since Kieran's birth.
When we called to cancel his cranial surgery, there was no one in the
office.
Greg left them a message saying that we wanted to cancel the surgery.
We fully
expected a phone call to find out why, etc..... We never heard
from the
neurosurgeon or anyone in his office. I find that very odd.
Sherry, Greg, Bailey, Laney & Kieran Roehl
Lisa Guyette wrote:
> Mechelle,
> We were told that Samantha would only need one pint of blood, but
ended up
> needing two. We had 3 pints donated, but I didn't have her
blood type and no
> one could give it to me in the time we had to donate it. So only
one was good
> for her. I guess with both of our stories, it's safe to say
if they say one,
> give three, to be safe. And if you don't have your child's
blood type have
> it checked before hand anyway you can.
>
> We wish Courtney a speeding recovery. What is a bilateral
cranial surgery?
>
> Can I ask everyone something? Am I overreacting?
I left a message for our
> plastic surgeon two weeks ago. We are set with the hand doctor
and just
> finished with the neurosurgeon. But I'm lost as to the cleft
palate and
> midface. And Samantha's neurosurgeon asked us Friday if we
were set in Sept
> for her brow advancement. First I heard of this. We were
told only that her
> forhead was normal and appeared large so we weren't have tohave a
forehead
> advancement. Now I'm hearing though she needs a brow advancement.
Well i
> went to to the plactic surgery department and asked to find out what
ournext
> step is. We were told we have to meet with the team and our
plastic surgeon.
> I asked his secretary if he ever said anything to her regarding our
case,
> because he didn't call us. She said no, but that we should
make a
> appointment with team.
>
> Samantha's case manager called today and said that the plastic surgeon
has
> turned our case completely over to the man who is doing her hands.
I'm a
> little upset by this. Am I naive to think that it might of
been nice if he
> could of called us and told us that he felt it would be best to not
have so
> many doctors as I heard he said.
>
> What bothers me I think is that we've had to consultations with this
man.
> Very nice and we grew to trust him with our daughter's whole case.
We also
> liked her hand surgeon, but we didn't look at him or interview him
as the man
> overseeing all of her sugeries.
>
> Sorry for so much writing, I guess my questions is do you guys think
the
> first Plastic surgeon should of called us and stated why he thinks
we should
> have another doctor?
>
> Love, Lisa Guyette
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Don and Listserver members,
This is what a wrote to someone with similar issues:
>As for the database, it would be part of Teeter's page and only for
those
>people affiliated with Teeter's Page or Aperts - nothing else.
It is
>just an expansion as to what is already on Teeter's page but with
a
>little more detail. For example a specific birthday like April
4, 1981
>rather than April/81 or in a specific state or country. That
way we can
>make not of birthdays and find all the people in a certain age group
for
>get togethers or something age specific. Now, you don't have
to include
>all details. If you are happy only submitting an e-mail address
versus
>an actual mailing address then that's fine. Just indicate what
state so
>that get togethers can be organized. If your information is
already on
>Teeter's page than it is no longer private! Everyone has access
to the
>internet. If your address is already there, then its no different
with
>this database. This database is not your generic mailing list
that gets
>sold to companies - it is Teeter's page specific! So far we
have been
>lucky that no weirdos on on the list server, but like you say you
never
>know. There could be someone that signs up and follows everyone's
life
>story that they seem to be putting on there and some time down the
road
>the wierdo will come knocking on the door. So yeah, I understand
your
>concern, but you have already put yourself in that situation.
Now Don, you mentioned that "The information that has been posted on
Teeter's Page and the personal pages is not easy for someone to get
because it is not in an orderly, database-style format. Each
individual
family has decided what to put or not put on their own web page."
That
may clarify what I wrote about in the above with regards to the info
already on Teeter's page. Sorry for not being properly educated
on that
matter if thats the case. I understand the privacy issue and
I am not
trying to invade it. I just want to be able to find the right
support for
my sister. It is hard filtering through the large number of people
on the
listserver or on Teeter's page without being able to do sorting within
a
database by state, country, age etc.
By the sounds of things, there is not much support out there for the
database, just like there has been little to no support for my sister.
My
letter about my sister on Teeter's page will tell you what Jeany and
I are
looking for.
As for Niagara Falls, I getting tired of people trashing it.
There are
plenty of things to do in the area. Toronto is just an hour away
and
Buffalo is only minutes away. There are plenty of beaches on
Lake Ontario
and Lake Erie (fresh water lakes might I add). Marineland is
a great
place for children. (Lying on Myrtle beach and getting cancer
isn't so
fun). Yes, many of you on the listserver have young children
and are
finding out how to bring up your children in today's society.
I applaud
your efforts of giving your child support and a normal upbringing.
But,
what about the ones that did not have the support your child has and
has
already grown up with Apert? My sister Jeany cannot write like
you or I
can in proper English structure. It's pretty good, but you would
not be
able to tell how old the person was writing the letter. She seeks
constant attention and friendship as she did not get much of that growing
up. Her schooling was spent with special needs kids - not mainstreamed
like most of your kids are. She gets very lonely which is why
she
constantly talks on the phone with people she does associate with.
She
had a pretty restrictive upbringing. I am only two years older
than her
and I couldn't or knew anything back then to do anything about it.
I
started taking care of her affairs when I was in high school which
was a
little too late. Jeany is now 28 with dreams of a relationship,
but her
social skills and manners need a lot of work. She seeks a lot
of
attention which affects how she socializes. Jeany and I were
one of the
early ones to be part of Teeter's page. I now only receive the
digested
version of the listserver because it has grown so big and the letters
are
not relevant to our situation. She even said this to me the other
night
on the phone. The get together in Niagara Falls does not have
to be
within the age groups specified. I only specified because of
the age of
apert people that were going to be there. Jeany would probably
socialize
more with the parents than the kids with aperts or with those her age
or
older with Aperts. She just wants some friends she can talk to.
That's
all! If she finds out that she can be successful in life and
have a
regular job and a family then it gives her hope to do better and not
act
like a teenager with crushes on people and wanting to teenage things.
Well, I have rambled enough. I don't mean to offend anyone either
- just
frustration setting in. I guess I should spend my summer holiday
on more
worthwhile ventures that Jeany might enjoy and that I might not get
frustrated or upset about. I have looked back at old e-mail messages
from
1995-96 when I first found Teeter's page. What a difference from
then
until now. I noticed a lot of the originals are no longer with
the list
server. I wonder why? Actually I know some reasons why,
and I will soon
be one of those leaving as my efforts seem to be going to waste.
I will
have to find other alternatives to finding support for my sister.
We will
still be getting together with the few families that have been open-minded
and are willing to help. I hope that some of you will open your
hearts a
little more and be one of the families willing to help also.
Wendy
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Regarding fused fingers. My daughters three middle fingers are
completely
fused together and they will start separatedly them on August 5th.
I can't
say for sure that your neices fingers can be separated, but I would
get a
second oppinion.
Lisa Guyette, daughter Samantha 8 months with Aperts
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When my daughter Samantha needed blood from the blood bank they told
me also
that it is sometimes safer than friends and family donated blood.
They gave
the same reason. We were also told though that they can
screen for
everything but Hep C. See was at a very high risk at that point
so we had no
choice. She had used her family donated blood at surgery.
I now will ask
her Ped to test her as often as necessary for Hep C.
The only thing I'm wondering is if a family member of ours donated blood
without telling us they had Hep C, and it didn't match my daughters,
wouldn't
it go to someone else. Wouldn't they thing then that it was blood
that was
donated without the pressure of a family member who was having sugery?
Love, Lisa Guyette
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THANKS for all the well wishes and prayers!
Brenda~
Courtney's IV's were taken out Saturday morning. Chelsea(age5)
is very
emotional when it comes to a needle. So, with Courtney barely
able to
look down and see her bib, we thought it would be theraputic for both
of
them to be together. Also, while on the phone, Chelsea seemed
depressed. She was shocked to see Courtney's bandages, then the
next
day her steristrips with the dried blood underneath. After that, she
just seemed to be sympathetic. She would have seen these when
Courtney
came home anyways. I am glad we made this discision!
Sumaya~
Courtney's middle finger and ring finger were fused at the end.
We were
told by 2 different doc's that they needed to amputate a finger.
The
third opinion we were promised 10 fingers, the dr dilivered them!
Good
Luck!
Lisa~
The way the dr explained a bi-canthel advancement to us, was that they
take the top part of the skull out, and move the bone around the eyes
forward. Plus, they put in asorbtion plates, that asorb when
growth
occurs. This medical terminology is all still new to me!!!!!!
Resa~
We don't have a doc band, her stitches are covered by steristrips.
We
only have to wear the helmet for protection purposes too! We
have been
scared that she is going to fall. I Guess paranoia is more of
the
problem! ha ha!
Thanks to everyone for being here for us!
Take Care!
Mechelle
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Lisa~
I was told, if the patient doesn't use the blood donated for them,
it
gets thrown away.
Mechelle:)
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Hi everyone,
After reading some responses to my post about not being happy that the
Plastic Surgery Surgeon who was overseeing our case, turned my daughters
whole case over to the surgeon who was doing her fingers, without telling
us
first, I just emailed the case manager who told us about this change.
I let
her know that I was uncomfortable after two consultations with this
man and
getting our trust, that I feel he should of called us and discussed
it with
us first. My husband and I liked the hand surgeon very much,
it's just that
we never knew or looked at him as a man who could be in charge.
If he has
done this alot and is highly recommended then we would be happy with
him.
Matter of fact we really know very little about the other surgeon as
well.
The reasoning was that it would be better to have one doctor do everything
than two. The first doctor doesn't do hands.
I would feel this way if I had walked into my gyno's office halfway
through
my pregnancy and was told she passed me on to someone else. And
she never
talked to me about it. This is more serious to me this is my
daughters life.
I'll let you know what kind of response I get.
Love, Lisa Guyette (daughter Samantha 8 months with Aperts)
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Hi,
My E-Mail address has been change to:
sumaya_j@yahoo.com
Thanks.
Sumaya.
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>We've been warned that hearing loss is a constant threat with Apert's.
Kieran
>is only 3 months old and is already battling his third ear infection
- all have
>been in his right ear. He'll probably need tubes in the future
if this
>continues. From what I understand, it is a very common problem.
Sandra and Sherry, Amy managed to last until she was 7 before she got grommets (tubes) but I was a bit slow off the mark and she probably needed them earlier than that (fortunately no permanent hearing loss!). I understand it is a common problem with any craniofacial differences, and I know a lot of children without cf differences who have them as well. "Glue ear" can affect learning so dramatically that this operation is done fairly routinely where we are.
Good luck getting those infections under control.
Ann
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At 09:40 PM 24/06/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Ann-
>
>Good to hear you had a reunion also. It sounds like Amy really
enjoyed it as
>I'm sure everyone did. Do you have any photos to share?
>
>Brenda
Hi Brenda
Photos still in my camera, and they all agreed it was okay to use them in our newsletter, but I had better check to see they all give permission for sharing further.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Regards
Ann
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Great news Resa.
Ann
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> Bottom line, if you have a skin lesion, get it checked out.
Have
>someone look at your back and the backs of your legs for you -- those
>are the most common places to find melanomas.
Thanks for all that Judy, it is really important. I can say from personal experience it sure is scarey when you have one diagnosed and it costs heaps in follow-up checks before you feel relatively safe again!! I have now had a full body scan done where they photograph every slightly odd lesion and put it into the computer onto a body image, and have it done annually to identify any changes. Of course personal checks are still important, and such a scheme doesn't identify those that are lethal short-term.
Amy had a small mark on her scalp at birth. It is now a raised about 3inch inverted-L shaped lesion, a sebaceous naevus, which apparently (usually) doesn't become malignant until the 20s. BUT I don't think they expected it to be quite this active quite this young (8yrs) and she is having it removed some time in the next few months.
Is it part of the syndrome that such things are more active, as with acne?
Regards
Ann
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Thanks Don
I am very wary about unwanted attention from others. I'm happy for Apert Listserver families to have our contact details, but we already get unsolicited mail and don't want any more.
I vote for "protection".
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Ann
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The Autumn/Winter 1998 issue of "Headlines" from the UK Craniofacial Support Group contains a parent's experiences with their son wearing a helmet for Cranioplasty, to correct a sagittal synostosis "boat-shaped" deformity.
Not to be confused with wearing a helmet for protection.
Cheers
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>The doctors have said that the tips of the bones of her index, fore
&
>ringfinger are fused together and they therefore cannot separate them.
>Is this true?
Sumaya, These sound like Amy's hands and she now has five separate digits on each hand. Those three fingers on each hand shared a common finger nail. Is this like Maryam's?
Regards
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Ann:
Yes, Maryam does share a common nail for those three fingers.
Sumaya.
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As you have probably gathered after that influx of messages, I have just got back from holiday and am catching up with the mail!
Re issues to do with "Who owns the problem" and how we learn to cope with the challenges thrown our way (I think all families on this Listserver can identify with that), while on holiday I found a book I had mislaid "The Road Less Travelled" by M. Scott Peck, and on flicking through found a section on The Myth of Orestes, which I found very interesting. At the end he says:
...Orestes did not blame his family - his parents or his grandfather
- as he well might have. Nor did he blame the gods or 'fate'.
Instead he accepted his condition as one of his own making and undertook
the effort to heal it. It was a lengthy process, just as most therapy
tends to be lengthy. But as a result he was healed, and through this
healing process of his own effort, the very things that had once caused
him agony became the same things that brought him wisdom.
Now obviously none of what we are dealing with here is of our own making, but what struck me was the interpretation of this myth - I can equate the Furies with those early days of learning to deal with this new and unexpected life (living with A/S), and the Furies are transformed into the Eumenides, the loving spirits, the wisdom we have learned, or are learning as a result of our experience with our very special children.
Well, anyway, as a fan of myth and legend and what we can learn from them, I found it interesting.
Cheers
Ann
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> I was told, if the patient doesn't use the blood donated for them,
it
> gets thrown away.
This probably varies by hospital/region. I'm pretty sure
that
self-donated blood would be tossed, but I'm not so sure about
blood
donated by others for a patient, even at my hospital. In the
NICU
it's not much of an issue, because directed donations nearly always
get used.
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> short-term. Amy had a small mark on her scalp at birth. It is
now a raised about 3inch inverted-L
> shaped lesion, a sebaceous naevus, which apparently (usually) doesn't
become malignant until the 20s.
> BUT I don't think they expected it to be quite this active quite
this young (8yrs) and she is having
> it removed some time in the next few months.
My nephew has/had one of those. I know his mom was planning
to
have it removed before puberty, due to the risk of malignancy. She
lives in a different state and I hadn't thought about it until you
mentioned it. He's 12, so if it's not gone yet, it will be soon.
I
think I'll ask her, thanks for the reminder.
> Is it part of the syndrome that such things are more active, as with acne?
It would make sense, but I really don't know. Good
thing you're
getting rid of it before it has a chance to change.
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Last summer I had to go to Ohio with my mom to see my Grandma,(so that
meant
Dad was left home with 3 kids!) and before I left we had eaten at a
Chinese
resturant and I got : A handful of paitence is worth more then a bushful
of
brians. It is still taped to the Fridge! :)
Dawn
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Hi guys,
Just a small note to ask for your prayers...Kris is scheduled to go
into
surgery tomorrow..Friday..7/9...Thank God she is doing so well so
far....she is not at all nervous!!! I'm praying that she
remains that
way!
She is real cool about what the drs. are going to do..(LeFort ) bring
the
upper jaw forrward....and some re-construction around her cheeks...
As usual, I am having a hard time with the insurance company...Isn't
this
the most stupid- thing you've ever heard...they will pay for her upper
jaw
to me aligned..but not her bottom....they will pay for her nose "job"
but
not her cheecks!!! ARghh!!!!!
Hello to everyone new! Welcome!!! My name is Ruth
Contreras..mother to
Kris, 16 year old with Apert...
By the way .. Friday was her Birthday...she had a blast!
Thank you for your prayers!!!
Talk to you later
Ruth
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> Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:00 AM
>
> Last summer I had to go to Ohio with my mom to see my Grandma,(so
that
meant
> Dad was left home with 3 kids!) and before I left we had eaten at
a
Chinese
> resturant and I got : A handful of paitence is worth more then a
bushful
of
> brians. It is still taped to the Fridge! :)
> Dawn
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Tim has had direct donors for his recent surgeries. He also donated
his own
blood as well. My sister and I donated for Tim and were told
that any unused
blood is sent into the general blood bank. In the end, Tim needed
more units
than he had donated. He has used the blood bank several times.
Beth Tolson
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Best wishes and a speedy recovery to Kris on her upcoming surgery.
We will pray that everything goes smoothly.
Where is she having the surgery done and who is operating?
Happy belated birthday and sweet sixteen!!!
Rose (Roxy's mom, age 10)
La Mirada, CA
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Dear Wendy,
Your love and concern for your sister Jeany
are quite evident and
noble. We cannot go back and change the past, nor is it easy
to change
one's mannerisms or behavior once adulthood is reached. Are the
expectations you listed realistic for Jeany (i.e., to have more friends,
hold a job, have a family, stop acting like a teenager)?
Would these give
her true "success in life?"
My opinion is that you might want to introduce
her to mainstream
friends ("real world") instead of searching for Apert people who are
of a
particular age or location.
Sure, we who have a loved-one with Aperts share a common bond.
But to me,
this is only a secondary characteristic, and it is my hope that others
will
look beyond and see the terrific person behind the label.
In short, a
friend can come in any shape or color.
Look into all possible alternatives and options
for support. Choose
the ones which will best meet your needs (and Jeany's). We are
all striving
together. Best wishes in your endeavors.
Rose
La Mirada, CA
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I have just been to see Jasmyn's Surgeon that performed her midface
for
follow-up. This man is too good to keep from any of you.
He is responsible
for inventing the internal distracting device that Jasmyn had installed,
by
the way, she looks wonderful! His name is Dr. Steven R> Cohen
and is locaed
at Children's Hospital in San Diego, California. Lisa, this is
especially
for you and Samantha.....
His Address: FACES
8010 Frost Street
San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 292-1075
Believe me Lisa, it will be worth the drive. I believe you said
you were at
UCLA (?) now. I have been dealing with Doctors for ten eleven
years now.
Most of them good, some...(???) This an is WAY above the
norm. For the
rest of you, this man has a portfolio with cranio-facial deformities
that is
recognized through-out the world. He has made incredible progress
with
facial reconstruction. I am going to get some things (articles
and info)
scanned and send them to Don. In the meantime, look this man
up (and his
team of course :) )....you won't regret it!
Patti
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Hi,
Regarding ear infections Im just wondering if anyone has had trouble
after your child has had the tubes put in. Ashleigh had her grommets
in last year when she just turned 3 and with her right ear we have had
nothing but trouble with this ear always weeping. I have had to cancel
3 hearing tests since April and she is due to go next week and guess what?????
Her right ear has just started again. We now have drops because I
told the doctor that she was on
antibiotics for too long.
Carol
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This may be a silly question to some and is not Aperts related but I'm
just wondering if any of you watch "Days of out Lives" and or "Young
and
the Restless" over there. We are about 3 years behind you and
Im
wondering if I can get some info on future happenings. Is anyone
else a
mad soapy lover???
Carol
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As usual, I spend most of my time on the list serv lurking...but I had
to
report the results of Sarah V.'s surgery.
After spending a whole year agonizing whether I should use this doctor
here
in Utah for Sarah's fingers, I went ahead and scheduled the surgery
with him.
Three weeks after the cast came off....wow! Sarah now
has five fingers on
her left hand and it looks soooooo good! I am really relieved.
Because to
tell you the truth, cross country flying to various doctors did not
appeal to
me. We will be scheduling for Sarah's right hand next month after
we find
the results of the sleep study.
Here's a question for you all....Sarah's tonsils (according to the
pediatrician) is huge. The doctor figured that must be the reason
why she
has never slept through the night since she was a newborn and she is
now
almost 3 years old. Because I don't hear well, she sleeps with
me. (yeah,
it gets old ;0)
We took her to her ENT specialist and he agreed that they are big.
On the
scale of bigness 1 to 4, they are about a 2. He's not so anxious
to take
them out. (???)
Instead, he ordered a sleep study. Which is fine. But wouldn't
taking out
the tonsils have to be done anyway? Isn't it better to do it
now while she's
young than later??
I know she will need her mid face done, but her cranio doctor doesn't
want to
do it until she's at least 4 or 5, so if the sleep study states she
has a
narrow passage way (which she does) that is preventing her from breathing
well...we'll still have to wait a whole year for this to be fixed.
Any feed
back on this? I'm just a bit confused on this doctor's reluctance.
Anyone
else had experience with this?
Sorry the letter's so long...
Belinda Vicars
Utah
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Hi gang!
Just wanted to tell you again what a great 'family' you are! and
that I =
got to spend time with yet another family.
the Irvin's arrived at my house last night about 6:30. Amy, Alex, nine
=
with aperts and younger brother Eric. Within 10 seconds of their
=
arrival the boys were off playing as if this were something that they
=
did everyday! The boys played in the backyard and played in the
pool, I =
was just amazed at the instant interaction, they just got along soooo
=
well!
Alex is a very sweet boy and very proud of his 'new hand' (Five
=
fingers) Alex is also very lucky that he has a younger brother so close
=
in age. I know that although Nick has an older married sister
that he =
almost like an only child and gets very lonely sometimes.
Amy and I got to chat for quite some time last night and i truly enjoyed
=
her company. it is really funny that for every family i have
met that =
we are never like strangers when meeting. And that every family
brings =
something special into my life. It seems that although I may not hear
or =
see a particulr family for quite awhile that when we do talk or see
one =
another after a period of time, the bonding is still there somehow.
Amy, i just want you to know that the door is always open here and that
=
goes for any other family out there. And I hope you make it home
safe.=20
The boys did not want their fun to end so if the opportunity arises
=
again, I know that they will all be thrilled. They were even
swimming =
in the dark and you should have heard all the noise they were making,
=
that alone showed what fun they were having.
Amy is going to try to get into chat soon and when she does, she left
me =
with some pics and i will scan them into a photo album there for her.
=
Alex is so photogetic. ( Hope you can make this Sunday night
Amy) =
Remember 9:00, your time!
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Good luck on Kris's surgery today, I will be thinking of you and
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Rose,
You are correct in saying that we must look beyond the label.
Jeany does
have a few "mainstream" friends through church and stuff. I think
because
her upbringing was restrictive, she has low self-esteem. I just
want her
to meet others with Aperts that do things like everyone else - have
a
family, have a job, etc. She knows these things are possible
now from the
people she has read about on the listserver. By hearing all the
postive
things Apert people can do, I hope it will give her motivation to mature
a
little and know that there is a happy future for her. A few years
back,
Jeany wanted to have her tubes tied because she did not want to have
Apert
kids suffer like she did. I think Jeany is now aware of the potential
for
people with Aperts - a very normal life with a few minor adjustments
in
how things may be done. Yes, mainstream friends are probably
the way to
go, but maybe she could talk to someone who went through the same type
of
growing up.
You are right about not being able to change one's mannerisms or habits
or
having difficulty in doing so. I am constantly trying to get
Jeany to not
do a few little things that would be not well looked upon or proper
by
people who do not know her. Maybe its just me being overprotecting.
Let
her learn from her mistakes, right? I think the expectations
I and
Jeany's social worker and herself have can be realistic, but Jeany
needs
to mature a bit more mentally. She is a very bright girl, smarter
than
she appears, but the essential life skills are not there yet.
I am
actually scared about her in relationships and stuff like that.
She has a
lot of jealousy and mean streaks in her when things do not go her way.
Jeany is growing, just in small baby steps. I know she will get
there
eventually. I have to remember that.
Thanks for your advice and words.
Wendy
>Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:20:00 -0700
>From: Joseph Chan <jchan7@PACBELL.NET>
>Subject: Re: Database etc.
>
>Dear Wendy,
> Your love and concern for your sister Jeany
are quite evident and
>noble. We cannot go back and change the past, nor is it easy
to change
>one's mannerisms or behavior once adulthood is reached. Are
the
>expectations you listed realistic for Jeany (i.e., to have more friends,
>hold a job, have a family, stop acting like a teenager)?
Would these
>give
>her true "success in life?"
> My opinion is that you might want to introduce
her to mainstream
>friends ("real world") instead of searching for Apert people who are
of a
>particular age or location.
>Sure, we who have a loved-one with Aperts share a common bond.
But to me,
>this is only a secondary characteristic, and it is my hope that others
>will
>look beyond and see the terrific person behind the label.
In short, a
>friend can come in any shape or color.
> Look into all possible alternatives and options
for support. Choose
>the ones which will best meet your needs (and Jeany's). We are
all
>striving
>together. Best wishes in your endeavors.
>
>Rose
>La Mirada, CA
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Hello All,
I got the following E-mail from Liz Niemi. She wanted me to pass
it on to
you. Jake is the little boy that was featured on Health Diary.
Just an FYI. Some Aperts families are getting together in Minnesota
on
Saturday July 17th.
I'm real excited because I have not been to a picnic yet or met other
parents face to face. It will be interesting.
PLEASE READ BELOW. JAKE IS WALKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deb Picht
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Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 11:23 PM
Subject: JAKE WALKED TODAY!!
>Hi Deb!
>
>Just wanted to write and let you know that Jake walked today, on his
own
for
>the first time!! I had him backed up against the wall and dangled
his
>Teletubbies video in front of him. He walked right to me without
help!! I
>just CRIED!! What a motivator, but hey...it WORKED!!
>
>If you wouldn't mind, would you please relay my good news on the ListServ.
>My WebTV e-mail is still down and I'm just bursting to tell everyone!
>THANKS!!!
>
>By the way, I got all of the RSVP's for the picnic today. Looks
like there
>will be about 40 people attending! I'm so excited to see everyone!
>
>Gotta run...talk to you soon!
>
>Liz
>
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Kris, we will remember you today as you go for surgery! I pray
that all
goes well for you!
Mechelle
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Hi Rose and Wendy I thought I would throw in my two cents in since
I have
been there and done most of the issues that yu two have discussed and
since
Iam the Oldest (I mean old at 45)aperts. I thought I would write. I
hope you
guys don't mind. I was raised in a home that siad that ther's no such
thing
as the word can't. We said that you can do everything your heart desires,
and I did. I got married to a wonderfull guy (yes he's handicapped
but it
didn't matter it what was inside that counted. Before I got married
I had
dated other men who weren't handicapped and who liked what they saw
and what
was in the inside. This world Iam sorry to say judges people by their
looks,
but I think that will change as more and more people realize that it's
not
whats on the outside that counts it's what on the inside that counts.
It
will be slow in comming (the change) but with more and more handicapped
people speaking out and the Aperts kids and Adults here going out and
proving their selfs we can make a diffences. My parents also believed
in
teaching mehow to act when we were out in public. So just because I
was
handicapped I still had to act my age even when I got older. And Iam
glad
they did because I didn't get as much stares as I did when my friends
acted
stupped because they thought it helped making people feel sorry for
them. I
too had so called mainstream freinds but they sure acted dumb
around me and
I had handicapped friend who at times acted worse. So I think I'll
find your
true friends (which I think alot of the Aperts Adults here have)are
the ones
who care in the inside and not whats on the outside. It's good to be
around
everybody though I agree with you there Rose. Wendy you are correct
in
changing some of your mannerisms. You don't want people to get the
wrong
impression of her. When I worked (yes I worked too!) at a Mental Retarted
School as a teachers-aid there was a lady there who thought I was Mental
Retarted but when my boss told her I wasn't and she saw how well I
conducted
my self as a professional she changed her attitude. So it's inportant
that
we teach our children whether they are handicapped or normal how to
act in
this world. Yes Wendy we Aperts people and normal people have to learn
from
our mistake. My parents let me and I will say I made a lot of them
(like
getting pregnant before getting married and fooling around when I know
I
shouldn't. I am just glad the Good Lord saw me through it and turned
me
around to the right way. My parents tought me from right and wrong
but I
being a stuburn Aperts person and wanting to show the world that I
was
"QUEEN OF THE WORLD" and that I can do what ever normal people can
do! I did
what I wanted! But I will tell you that I did get hurt along the way,
and I
also want to say that I was wrong in what I did and I have asked
foregiveness from my parents and the rest fo my family who I had hurt
at the
time and from God. I get jealous too at times but, I am realizing and
your
sister Jeany has to realize that there are other people that I had
to think
of not just little OLD ME! As a sister like my older sister shows me
which
she's good at it's not just about me or you. It's all of us! My husband
reminds me when ever I get jealous or that Iam just thinking of my
self ,
that it's just not me it's him and my daughter that I got to that about.
No
we can't go back and chang the past but, we Aperts can sure and show
the
world that we are normal people too! I hoed this helped. and I hope
I didn't
afend any body? If I have I am sorry. I spoke from my heart and I wanted
to
sure my feeling about the matter!. Wendy please feel free to E-mail
me
anytime if you have any questions or your sister or you can call me
at
(209)524-2141. That goes for the rest of you guys out there! Iam not
sure
about the time differences but I'll be happy to talk to you all. My
E-mail
is rreed@cableone.net . Maybe sometime Wendy we can get togather. I
would
love to me your sister and you. and tell her that apert people can
have a
normal life and get married and have a healthy and normal baby! Well
I'll
better cut this one short and start another letter for the rest of
you. Take
care you all! Max in very hot sunny Modesto,Calif. Sorry for the mistakes
It's HOT and Iam afraid to correct them because then my computer will
mess
everything up. So Sorry!
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Hi from the UK
My sons finger tips were fused He had separate partly separate thumbs
but
his little fingers were fused too. Although his bones were unusual
and
complicated he has a thumb and 3 fingers on each hand. His surgeon
was Mr
Smith at Great Ormond Street hospital in London and now there is not
much my
son will not try to do in his own way even if it takes a while.
Good luck
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> Hello,
>
> Thankyou everybody for showing so much interest in Maryam, for offering
> so much advice & for such kind words of encouragement.
>
> Maryam goes to "Wentworth Hospital" in Durban in South Africa.
Here a
> panel of doctors study her x-rays & decide from here what is
to be done.
> But, I have shown all your e-mails to her parents & they have
agreed to
> get a second opinion but we are not to sure as to whom to go to.
We
> will scout around & or maybe you guys could assist me.
>
> The doctors have said that the tips of the bones of her index, fore
&
> ringfinger are fused together and they therefore cannot separate
them.
> Is this true?
>
> I look forward to a reply!
>
> Thanks...
> Sumaya.
>
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DEAR DEBBIE AND FAMILY, HOPE YOUR HEALTH IS BETTER AND THE WHOLE FAMILY
IS
DOING GOOD. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PICS, I'M CARLEE'S GRANDMOTHER.
TAKE CARE
AND THE BEST TO THE WHOLE FAMILY. MARILYN
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It has been a while since I have been in touch but,I have read every
e-mail
on the server. I want to welcome all the new families and send my hello's
to
everyone.For those of you who don't know us we are the Foster's from
Scranton Pa.
My name is Karen and my husbands name is Bill. We have seven children
and
our youngest child Billy was born with Apert's in March of 1997.
Things have been kind of crazy around here with the kids out of school.
I
wanted to let everyone know that Billy is well and that he will finally
be
able to have his last fingers released on July 20th. He will have his
third
and ring fingers on both hands done. The doctor is saying that he is
pretty
sure that he will be able to get all five fingers but, he can't be
sure
until he gets going. We are very pleased with other releases and completley
trust his doctor.Billy is still very delayed in his speech and has
speech
three times a week. He is able to sign many things but, he is picking
up a
few new words. He has no trouble letting us know what he wants. He
wants to
be outside from morning til night. He has been in time out at lest
once a
day and sometimes more.I am so pleased with his progress even the terrible
two's.
I did want to comment on the blood bank thing.Billy gets blood from
the bank
most of the time and we have donated whenever possible. We have talked
to
the doctors and many others and have decided to use the bank whenever
it is
needed. It is normal the be afraid but, it is something you have to
come to
peace with. We can't go making ourselves crazy worring about all of
the bad
things that can happen when there is no way to know for sure if our
kids are
getting donated blood or not. Todays hospitals have to be so careful
and I
believe that they screen very carefully.Childrens hospitals do
have their
own blood banks and do their own testing . Think of all of the kids
that get
blood every year. The hospitals have to be sure so that their reputations
stay in tact. Anyway, is there any way to find out about the incidents
of
blood related infections at the hospital where you child gets his or
her
surgeries done? If there is I would like to know. If not maybe it is
worth
looking into. I am sure someone has the information. After all there
are
ways to find out if your child is sleeping in a safe bed or riding
in a safe
car. There should be a way to know if the are safe while getting blood
from
a blood bank.One more thing about this subject. When my daughter was
born
five years ago she was only 2lbs and 13ozs. and spent time in our neonatal
unit. She did end up having to have a bowel surgery and had to have
many
transfusions during her hospital stay.We wanted to have our oldest
daughter
donate blood since they have the same type. The doctors at the unit
said
that siblings should not donate because of the fact that if in the
future
the child should need an organ transplant and has had blood from his
sibling
the sibling would not be able to give that child an organ. This is
really
what we were told.And we have talked to others who were told this also.
Anyway, hope eveyone is well and good luck to all future surgery. I
am happy
to hear that Andrea is doing well and Courtny.
Also, my oldest daughter has joined the Army and will be leaving in
Augt. I
am still in shock and a little worried but also very proud.
Please keep Blly in your prayers and I will let you know when his surgery
is
over.
I have started sending out Billy's pictures and love all of the ones
we have
received.
Karen (PA)
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Don,
I pretty much agree with you on the issue of giving out information.
I care
not to have my child exploited for the whole world to "look" at.
I am
somewhat of a private person and would prefer to know that things are
secure
and I have control over who sees them. I have no problems talking
about
Andrew to people on the listserv, but that is as far as it goes.
That is
why we choose not to have a web page with Andrew's face plastered all
over
it. My husband has a disability and knows what it is like to
be stared at.
He does not want that for his son. I also do not want unwanted
e-mails on
my computer from people from "who knows where". And I want to
thank you,
Don, for keeping out things so private (amongst ourselves).
That is my 2 cents.
Lynn Thornquist
Don Sears wrote:
> Hi Wendy,
>
> This has intentionally not been done because we're very aware of
privacy
> issues. Generally, it is not a great idea to tabulate and post
personal
> information on the web. There are people out there who, unfortunately,
> would try to use this information in a number of unsavory ways.
They
> often use automated programs (robots or 'bots') to cruise web page
after
> web page looking for information that they can collect and then sell
or
> otherwise misuse.
>
> The information that has been posted on Teeter's Page and the personal
> pages is not easy for someone to get because it is not in an orderly,
> database-style format. Each individual family has decided what
to put
> or not put on their own web page.
>
> As far as I am concerned , you are anyone else is welcome to collect,
on
> a voluntary basis, any information that the families are willing
to
> give. The picture exchange information is temporary in nature
and will
> be deleted as soon as the picture exchange is complete. Additionally,
> you have to know the web address in order to access the information.
> That's why there is no link from Teeter's Page.
>
> Each reader of this listserv signed on with the belief that their
> personal information would be protected. That's a promise that
I will
> always keep.
>
> I can look into setting up a secured, password protected area on
our
> server that would allow users to update their own information.
I'd like
> to hear what the rest of you think about this issue. If I'm
way off
> base, I'll be glad to help put the information together.
>
> >Also, I don't know if this has been done, but I would like to see
a
> >database of everyone that has become part of this Apert family.
I
> would
> >like to have everyone's address, child's name who has Apert and
his/her
> >birthdate, e-mail address etc. All the pertinent details to
contact
> >people within an age group or a particular area of the World!
I'm
> sure
> >there are small lists here and there with the photo exchange etc.,
but
> if
> >we could have one place or a web site that will link to the database,
> that
> >would be great. Amongst the million things I have to do, I
would be
> >willing to put this together. It can be part of my learning
to use the
> >web features of Filemaker Pro which would be the database I would
use
> >since I teach Filemaker in my senior classes. I would set
up a
> database
> >similar to what's already on the apert web page, but with all the
> details
> >necessary to contact people and with full birthdates. Don
- has this
> been
> >done by anyone? If not, people can send me their updated information
> and
> >I will put together a database that can be published to the web
site.
> I
> >can take some of the information that is already on the web site,
but
> if
> >there is updated information needed, people can send this along.
> >
> >Wendy Pak
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Welcome Sumaya,
My name is Lynn Thornquist, and I haven't not been around much, but
I just
recently had my second child and two is definately harder than one.
My son,
Andrew, is going to be 3 years old in September. He had his first
Cranial
Surgery when he was 3 months old, his Frontal Advancement when he was
10
months old. He has had 2 hand surgeries (at 5 months and 11 months).
I
agree with everyone else about the hands. You definately need
a second
opinion. The tips of the fingers is not a hard surgery at all,
at least
that is what Andrew's hand surgeon has said. I too have never
heard of only
getting the thumb and pinkie fingers. Are the thumbs fused with
the rest of
the fingers? As I think back, I believe that Andrew's tips were
fused as
well, and he has all five fingers with great manipulation. Andrew
is able
to pick up individual peas and can hold a cup with one hand.
I will be writing more with what has been going on with my life in another
e-mail, so stay tuned.
Lynn Thornquist
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Sumaya,
My son Andrew also had that same nail sharing. The nails on his
index
fingers are a little smaller, but not to worry, they are getting bigger
over time. Dr. Upton (our Plastic Surgeon) says that it is possible
for
nail transplants if we want. So far we are satisfied.
Lynn
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Very well said, Rose. I couldn't have found such beautiful words
and put so
eloquently.
Lynn
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Hello everyone,
Lynn here, I haven't been writing much because it is difficult to find
the time to get on and read all the e-mails. Now with two children,
I
can't find anytime for myself. But tonight I am in luck.
Both children
are asleep and my husband is at a friend's house. I feel so free
from
it all. I just don't know what to do first. I thought maybe
I would
clean up, since I don't have much time for that either, but that doesn't
sound like much fun, so here I am.
I want to welcome all new families and hope that the listserv is as
wonderful for you as it has been for me.
I have a couple of things to say tonight, so hold on it could take
awhile.
First of all, does anyone out there have Blue Cross/Blue Shield HMO?
If
so, I would like to know if you have had any problems with them paying
for things, including surgeries. I will be going back to work
full-time
and my husband is going to be staying home with the kids. The
reason
for the switch is because he is going back to school nights to learn
about computers and learn how to trouble shoot them/repair and so
forth. I start this Monday and am so upset. How did any
of you other
mother's handle going back to work and leaving your kids? It
is only
for a year, but still, I cry almost every other day for the past 2
weeks. I am lucky in the fact that it is my husband who will
be home
with them.
Just an update.....Andrew will be starting hand surgery again on
September 29. I believe Dr. Upton will be starting with his left
hand.
The thumb will be elongated, with bone taken from his hip, the index
finger will be thinned and straightened, and the "pinkie" will also
be
thinned down some. I am so excited to see the results.
This is suppose
to give Andrew more grasp with his pinscher grasp and pinkie to thumb
manipulation. There will also be much more dexterity when all
is said
and done. I will definately let you all know how it turns out.
I will be sending out my pictures soon, but I was waiting to get a good
picture of Andrew and Meghan together and now I'm just waiting for
them
to be developed. I have a good one of Andrew alone, but I know
that a
family shot is important as well. Sorry, but no parents in this
one.
Talk to you all real soon.
Lynn
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Folks,
Please be aware that *nothing* you put on the internet is private.
Each and
every message you post and all the information on Teeter's Page is
open to
anyone. Once you place something on the net there's no telling
where it
could end up. Don somewhat hides the information by not putting
links on
the main page, but the information is there and available if someone
wanted
to hunt hard enough to find it. Everytime you look at something,
you've
just made a local copy of it on your PC. Text, pictures, etc.,
are all
downloaded simply by browsing. If privacy is your goal, the internet
is not
the place to be.
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>Just a quick comment on NIagara Falls. They are beautiful. I went there
when
>I was a teenager to visit a friend. But as far as a vacation with
children
>this is not a good place. I personally thought the Beach was a great
place.
>Because there aren't many kids that don't love the water. Just my
2 cents
>worth.
Christy,
Just curious...
What makes you say Niagara Falls is not a good place for a vacation
with
children???
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Way to go Jake!
Sherry Roehl
Randy & Deb Picht wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I got the following E-mail from Liz Niemi. She wanted me to
pass it on to
> you. Jake is the little boy that was featured on Health Diary.
>
> Just an FYI. Some Aperts families are getting together in Minnesota
on
> Saturday July 17th.
>
> I'm real excited because I have not been to a picnic yet or met other
> parents face to face. It will be interesting.
>
> PLEASE READ BELOW. JAKE IS WALKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Deb Picht
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niemi, Liz <Liz.Niemi@nmb.norwest.com>
> To: 'Randy & Deb Picht' <rldpicht@info.starpoint.net>
> Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 11:23 PM
> Subject: JAKE WALKED TODAY!!
>
> >Hi Deb!
> >
> >Just wanted to write and let you know that Jake walked today, on
his own
> for
> >the first time!! I had him backed up against the wall and
dangled his
> >Teletubbies video in front of him. He walked right to me without
help!! I
> >just CRIED!! What a motivator, but hey...it WORKED!!
> >
> >If you wouldn't mind, would you please relay my good news on the
ListServ.
> >My WebTV e-mail is still down and I'm just bursting to tell everyone!
> >THANKS!!!
> >
> >By the way, I got all of the RSVP's for the picnic today.
Looks like there
> >will be about 40 people attending! I'm so excited to see everyone!
> >
> >Gotta run...talk to you soon!
> >
> >Liz
> >
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Kris, you will be in our thoughts. Hope the surgery goes well
and best
wishes for a speedy recovery.
Sherry Roehl
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>Instead, he ordered a sleep study. Which is fine. But wouldn't
taking out
>the tonsils have to be done anyway? Isn't it better to do it
now while she's
>young than later??
If the sleep study shows that her sleep patterns are normal, the ENT
won't
remove tonsils simply because they're large. If the sleep study
shows
problems which are attributable to the enlarged tonsils, I'm sure your
ENT
will schedule a surgery to remove them or determine some other way
to
correct the problem. A sleep study may detect that there's something
else
wrong which can be corrected without surgery.
Frank Contrino
contrino@buffnet.net
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I watch this when I can find the time. Which means occasionally.
:-)
Is there anything specific you want to know? I'll tell you if
I can.
Sherry Roehl - mom to Kieran-3mos w/Apert's, Laney-4 w/CVS & Bailey-7
gnsroehl@flash.net
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Carol~
I use to watch both!!!! I love them, but not sure if I remember
what was
going on 3 years ago!! hahaha
But I do love to talk about them.
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Carol,
You have come to the right place as far as Days of our lives is
concerned. I love that show. E-mail me privately at
libragirl18@hotmail.com with any questions and I will do my best to
fill
you in.
I do not watch young and the restless though, so I would be no help
there.
Kelly Spadini
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Hi all,
I was thinking about it and I know that I have always had problems with
ear infections and have had multiple sets of ear tubes put in and taken
out. I have always had a little trouble hearing, and do have a little
hearing loss. That may possibly be due to listening to LOUD music as
teenagers like to do. I will ask my mom about it and will write and
tell
you what she says.
Bye For now,
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OOH! OOH! OOH!
I am going to have that surgery next summer. I would love to know how
it
went and particularly how the recovery period is. If you want, you
can
e-mail me privately at libragirl18@hotmail.com.
By the way, how old is Chris? I will be 18 when I have it.
Bye,
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Ruth,
Wow what a way to celebrate one of the most important birthdays in a
girls life. Hope she has some great friends to celebrate it with.
Tell
her I said happy sweet 16th. Give her my best for her surgery.
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Sorry Ruth. I guess I got a little excited. That message that you just
read was from me(Kelly Spadini)
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Hey all,
Boy am I chatty this evening. I was wondering. What time do you meet
in
the chatroom in California time. I would really like to try and make
it
this time. I guess I will have to write myself a BIG note and
stick it
on the computer. Hope to see you there.
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We got back last week from a family vacation
to Niagara Falls and
DisneyWorld. Matthew (2), Melanie (4), Stephanie (7), Charity
(9) and
Roxy(10) say that the most memorable part of their vacation is not
Mickey Mouse but the awesome multiple rainbows they saw every afternoon
at
the Falls. This was our first (but not last!) visit and I would
love to go
back again. I'd highly recommmend a visit to this "wonder of
the world." The good news is that the U.S. dollar does
go a little farther
in Canada:).
Rose
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Sumaya,
Just to kep you informed, my son Jordan ( 2yr in Sept) had the tips
of the
same three fingers fused on each hand and we now have all of the fingers
released. He made it through without losing any, although that was
always a
risk, but one we chose to make. And he uses them fine and has been
discharged
from occupational therapy.
Definitly get a second opinion
Jennifer Graham
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Lynn,
Is Dr. Uptond doing one finger at a time, or the entire left hand? And
how is
recovery suppose to be? ANd did he mention anything about growth plates?
I
thought the fingers couldn't be straightened until growth plates were
better
fused. Just curious as we may be down the same road in the not ot distant
future...BUT as we have been a WONDERFUL 3 months without even having
to
THINK about having a surgery in the future, I hate to even raise questions
that cause me to ponder the next one!!!
Also, FYI for everyone......Jordan loves his "school" he paints, colors
and
plays...and his drawings look like everyone elses, which I was curious
about
due to fine motor skill development. He is in a "normal" learning center,
and
besides one infant I saw yesterday w/ cleft lip, hes the only one w/
physical
differences.....BUT......does wonderfully and we may even have some
friends
his age this year for his 2nd b-day party!!! And, let me, he isn't
sad to see
me go off to work, as I get a big wave and if I talk to his teacher
he starts
pushing me out of the room and telling me bye-bye!!!! Soooooo, all
this has
helped make what could have been a hard transition back to work, very
easy.
It has been easy to see how he needed social interaction, not to mention
how
badly I needed it as well.
He is still a bit behind on speech, so we start that Monday at 7am thank
you!! I am not even thinking how early we will have to get up to be
there.
But it must be done before work/school!!! Lord help me!!!
Hope everyone is doing well, I have been out of touch w/ work and all.
My
computer doesn't even get turned on until Sat am!!!!
Hang in there Lynn, you'll be fine after the first few days back!!!
Jenn(Columbus, Ohio).......I think I brought the drought w/ me to Ohio
form
Florida, b/c its raining like crazy there, and barely a drop here!!!!
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-----Hi Belinda! Our Sara had her tonsils out when she was 15
months old
because she obstructed so badly in her sleep. That helped for
a while but a
few months ago we had a sleep study done that said she was (at times)
badly
O2 deprived. Now they're telling us that a midface surgery will
help but
her craniofacial doc wants to wait a year (til she's 4). So we
have her on
O2 while she sleeps, using the nasal prongs, and a pulse ox monitor.
Kind
of a pain, but not too bad--considering that it's buying us time before
her
midface! Email me back if you want. Kelly Younkin
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Lynn:
We have HMO Blue and have had it for several years now. I have
not had much
of a problem getting them to pay, in part because my pediatrician,
who is
Tim's primary care physician, has been his doctor since his birth and
has
been completely supportive of referrals to Children's. I discussed
this with
him prior to getting on HMO Blue, sharing the same concerns that you
have,
and he said that he has no qualms about sending Tim in town, for the
"big
stuff". He sees Tim for the usual physicals and illnesses and
also treats
our other children. I trust his judgement in deciding when to
go into Boston
and when it isn't necessary. We have a good relationship and
I think that
this is key.
Recently Tim needed to see
a dermatologist for his acne and we went
with Dr. Rappo's (our pediatrician) judgement of trying someone local
first
and it worked out very well. Also, it saved us the hassle of
going in to
Children's every month while he was on the Acutane, which requires
monthly
blood work. Same thing for his podiatrist who sees Tim every
few months and
keeps his toenails in shape...so much easier to stay local for this
stuff if
it works out. Of course, we go to the craniofacial team for his
major work
and that has never been an issue for Dr. Rappo.
Also, I was prepared to
go with a primary care physician for Tim in
the Children's Circle if I needed to...didn't want to go that route
but I
would have if we ran in to problems. That is always an option if you
run in
to problems getting referrals from a local M.D.
On returning to work....my
husband also returned to school when our
youngest was 6 months old. My husband is now a registered nurse.
He became
the primary caretaker while he was in school and it ended up working
out very
well. I enjoyed working and felt secure that the kids were with
their Dad.
In addition, he became more involved in their care and the day-to-day
running
of a busy household. There were adjustments for sure, but it
all worked out.
(Even today my husband works nights and I teach school so we
have been able
to be available to the kids most of the time.) I think it's great
that your
kids will be with their father rather than in daycare while you work.
Good luck with your new adventure!
Beth Tolson
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Hi Lynn,
Gail here (from Tewksbury!). I can feel for you, going back to
work
fulltime, but you do have Dad watching the children. My husband
and I worked
opposite hours with Jason and then for the few years after Rachel was
born
until I had to stop working in order to get her through some of her
big
surgeries/recoveries. I just finished working a temporary job
for a group of
cardiologists in Stoneham. It felt good to get out there in the
work force
again, knowing I could still do some productive work! I did miss
my children
(never thought I'd be saying THAT in the summer!!), but found it easier
to
work for a specified length of time! So hang in there!
It's interesting, my husband is also going back to school this fall
for
electronics! I guess it's pretty good to want to be able to continue
to
learn new things in life! Best of luck to your husband.
Hang in there. Hi
to the kids.
Rachel just went in to see Dr. Mike Scott (neurosurgery) for follow-up.
He
might be involved with her frontal advancement, if Dr. Mulliken decides
to do
that this December/January along with her midface advancement via
distraction. We just saw Dr. M. a few weeks ago at Children's,
and it's
definite that Rachel is a good candidate for the distractor.
I'm not looking
forward to that, but it has to happen sometime, so we'll go with the
flow and
take one day at a time!
Talk to you soon. Take care.
Gail (mom to Rachel with craniosynostosis syndrome, age 5)
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THE CHAT IS AT 6:00 PM CALIF TIME HOPE TO TALK TO YOU THEN. MARILYN
(CARLEE'S
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Hello everybody!
I know that some of the children
here in the listserv have seen Dr.
Salyer in Texas. I would like to know please if you could give me his
address and his e-mail too if possible.
Thank you.
Claudia.
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Claudia,
Here's his address and phone number.
Kenneth E. Salyer
7777 Forrest Lane
Suite C-717
Dallas, Texas 75293
Ph: (972) 566-6555
(800) 344-4068
Fax: (972) 566-6017
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GSieb91515@aol.com wrote:
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> Claudia,
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> Here's his address and phone number.
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> Kenneth E. Salyer
> 7777 Forrest Lane
> Suite C-717
> Dallas, Texas 75293
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> Ph: (972) 566-6555
> (800) 344-4068
> Fax: (972) 566-60
Thank you very much for the information. We really appreciated it!
Regards
Claudia
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Ruth,
OOPS, I am behind and good
luck with the surgery. Mary
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Sumaya,
Carlee's fingers are also fused together at the ring middle and index.
Carlee's surgeon says that he can't promise to get all 5 fingers out
but that
he is going to try. I think she could atleast have 4 good fingers.
I'd get a
second opinion. Take care and keep in touch.
Cristy and Carlee ( 13 months w/ aperts)
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Carol,
I am a big Days fan, but don't get to watch it every day. Got any questions,
I'll tell you what I have kept up with so far.
Cristy
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The reason I felt it wasn't a good place is because what I can remember
of
Niagara Falls was a beautiful waterfall that you could see Canada on
the
other side. I was a teenager and I said ok this is beautiful, can we
go now.
I think there was some kind of plant atrium there also that we walked
around.
My daughter is 13 months old and I can't see anything there holding
her
interest. I know some of the older children have problems with their
feet and
walking distances, so this too would create a problem. I am not aware
of
other things there to do. I just know that everyone at Myrtle Beach
had a
great time and it was a kids place. We had a 13mos old and a 9 year
old that
enjoyed it very much. Not knocking Niagara Falls, that is just my opinion.
Cristy
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Hi Everybody! I thought that since it's to hot to do anything
and Iam bored
I would write. Ruth I know this late but I hope Kris had a smooth surgery
and she has a great recovery. You are both in my thoughts and prayers.
I
know how surgery can be a hard time for all concern. So here's hoping
for a
speedy recovery! I hope everything goes well with your insurance company.
They just don't seem to get it that these surgery are a nessary thing
all
away around!
I have been doing alot of thinking on the blood
bank issue. It seems to
me that when there's a major facial surgery going on that maybe that
who
ever or more people should donate at least 5 or 6 pints of blood for
that
child. It seems to me that is that when ever a Aperts child or any
other
child has major facial surgery they loose alot of blood and need more
blood.
Maybe it's just me but that's the way I've been thinking. I know that
when I
had my major facial surgery I lost alot of blood and I too needed a
transfuseion. Just a thought.
Lisa no you're not over reacting. I know that when I had my daughter
there
was a big big lack of communication. I was toxemia and I had high blood
pressure. My doctor didn't bother to tell the nurses what was going
on and
so I went through labor 10 hours of labor and then when the tech. who
did my
altra sound told my mom that the baby was breeched and he didn't bother
to
tell the doc., My mom told the doc. because the doc said that I could
have a
natual birth. But when my mom told them the baby was breech that changed
the
whole story. I had her C-section. So you have every right to over react.
I
think parents need to know whats going on and tell the doc. that they
want
to know everything!
That's great Liz that Jake is walking! Look out he'll be running next!
Well I better go. My last letter was a little or should I say
alot of
words, I guess I got carried away, I made a copy of it and to me I
didn't
make any since. Sorry for alot of none since. I guess I thought I was
helping or the heat here got to me eather one. I hope it made since
to
someone! Iam sorry if it afended some of you I didn't intend it to.
Well
Take Care and I hope all is well with everybody. Max
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Max,
Your words are never offending just encouraging. Keep up the encouragement.
Love,
Cristy
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Just a quick note to THANK YOU DON for this listserv....
Raquel Miller...
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Hi Don,
I've forgotten how to log on to the listserv as a new member. I have
two
friends who would like to know. Can you email them? One is Kate and
she's at
macedakc2@aol.com. The other is Donna and she's at markshea@erols.com.
Thanks
for your help! Jeanne in Boston
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Maxine,
I can only speak for myself, but your letter that you now call "Too
long,"
was beautfiul.
It was so honest and from the heart. It touched me and will
forever be a
reference for my child.
The funny thing about your letter and the one from the sister of the
28 year
old with Aperts, is that both cases reminded me of me, and I don't
have
Aperts. I was a 28 year old teenager when I look back on it.
I still was
getting crushes on people, and doing immature things. When I
was a teenager
no one could tell me what to do and I made many many mistakes.
My mom says
now that I was a teenager until last November when I gave birth to
my
daughter. I am 38.
I think it's probably going to be easy for our family to blame a lot
of
things on our daughter's Apert Syndrome, but if we look deep we will
probably
find it's just to be blamed on youth and the actual choices she is
making.
We now are at fault in a way with my l8 year old stepson. We
blame a lot of
his mistakes on that my husband wasn't around him a lot when he was
younger.
He probably in actuality is no different than any other teenager trying
to
manipulated and get away with anything he can. If his father
and I really
really think of it he is probably no different than we both were and
we had
both parents at home.
When I first found this listserv I was happy to have other parents to
share
with. At first I thought it was going to be the blind leading
the blind, but
I got so much help and continue to. What I was sad about was
that I wondered
how I was going to deal with my child's feelings. Then I saw
a letter from
you Maxine, and I learned what her feelings will be. I also learned
that if
she has the right attitute and doesn't feel sorry for herself she can
have a
wonderful life.
Through you I also learned the importance of documenting and keeping
photos
of what's going on, because some day she might want to help others.
And last I learned that if she wants to have children that will be her
choice
which I will support (hopefully at a decent age). She can have
a chance for
a non Aperts child, and if she's aware of having one and does, well
grandma
will have the knowledge of the old days of technology at least.
Maxine and the other Adults with Aperts please please write long long
letters, you are our children's voice.
Love, Lisa
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Congratulations Jake and have fun at the picnic.
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Here Here!! I agree completely. Thank you Max for being
a special part of
our family and sharing your heartfelt thoughts.
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Carol-
We had one incidence (about a month long) where Jonathan's ear were
infected
and then started to bleed. We were on 2 different antibiotics
and then went
to the ENT when they started to bleed. She put him on cortisone
drops and it
cleared up right away. We haven't had any problems since.
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Ruth--
I am so sorry we are just finding out about Kris' surgery. I pray
that
everything went well and will be in contact with you this week.
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I don't write very often--I've been busy with work and stuff, but my
son
Mason had a brief seisure today. It lasted about 10 or
15 seconds. He's
never had one before. I called the doctor and she said to call
back if it
happened again. Mason is 5 months old, awaiting his first cranial
surgery.
Our Dr. Fearon in Dallas has us waiting until he needs his first forehead
advancement, so I'm wondering if this is a sign that he may need his
surgery
soon.
Has anyone had this happen?
Thank you,
Karin Pittman, mom of Mason Pittman
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Dear Karen,
We first noticed that Thomas was having mild seizures when he was around
2 1/2 years old. We took him to a neurologist, tests were performed,
but nothing unusual showed up. He is not on medication since
he only
has them 2 to 4 times a year, usually in the early spring and early
fall. At this point all you can do is keep an eye on Mason, keep a
journal of when it happens, how long and the clinical signs (doctors
always want to know that information). Thomas usually gets really
hot
and sweaty and is exhausted afterwards. I am usually too upset
to pay
close attention to how long they last, it seems forever.
Warmly, Dori
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Dear Karin,
Once when I was waiting
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his =
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had not referred them to the neurosurgeon right away so the baby's
brain =
was growing and compressing against the skull. This was causing the
=
seizures. If I were you I would call the doctor again and discuss it
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depth. If that is the problem then waiting can only cause worse =
problems. Try not to panic. Just get as much information as you can.
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> Regarding ear infections Im just wondering if anyone has had trouble
after your child has had
>the tubes put in. Ashleigh had her grommets in last year when
she
>just turned 3 and with her right ear
There are at least 2 types of tubes. The most commonly
type
inserted are short term tubes. They are usually only good for about
a
year and tend to be extruded by then (sometimes they get obstructed,
too). The other type stays in until removed, but has a higher
risk
of leaving a hole in the eardrum that will need to be patched
(persistent perforation).
The other problem with grommets (p-e tubes) is that they let
water and everything else past the eardrum. This can lead to some
impressive infections. When my 2 older boys had them, we were
instructed never to let water get into the ear canals. When they
went swimming, we put silicone ear plugs in the ears and put a latex
swim cap over the ear plugs -- now you can get a nylon swim
cap and I'd recommend that over the latex as it's to hold the plugs
in place, not to keep water out.
BTW, not all ENT docs insist on keeping water out, but we never
had
problems with tubes in place -- we found out they'd been extruded
when the oldest started getting ear infections again.
Judy
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> stay in tact. Anyway, is there any way to find out about the incidents
of
> blood related infections at the hospital where you child gets his
or her
> surgeries done?
I doubt they'd share the information, but the
hospital infection
control department would have that information. They keep track of
all hospital acquired infections in order to try to decrease the
numbers. Blood-borne infections are just one type.
You're right that blood is very carefully screened at any US
hospital large enough to have a pediatric neurosurgery program
because hospitals of that size are very closely scrutinized by JCAHO
and state regulatory agencies, not to mention the
malpractice issue if they were careless. Things can slip by the
screening, but this is as true of directed donor blood as volunteer
donor blood.
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Thanks Marilyn!!! Unfortunately as you know I couldn't make it last
night. I spent the night at my friend's house Saturday night and did
not
come home until around 10pm last night. If she did not have to go to
work today, I might as well have stayed again. I will try to make it
next week. See you Then
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My nephew was born today 7/12/99 with Aperts Syndrome. I live in San
Diego
Ca and can't be with them. My brother and his wife, Heather, really
need
someone to talk to. If any of you live near the Norfolk VA area they
could
use some support. We are all trying to learn as much as we can about
this
syndrome.
Thanks for any help that you may be able to give us.
Tamra
a very worried aunt.
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Im not sure if my daughter had a seizure, but about six weeks ago My
mom and
I were looking at her and she zoned out. She just stared straight
ahead, I
snapped my fingers and she shook her head like she just woke up.
That week
we found out that her brain had no more room to grow and she had her
posterior cranial surgery. What did Mason do that you knew it
was a seizure?
Love, Lisa Guyette (Daughter Samantha 8 months w/ Aperts)
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In a message dated 99-07-11 23:59:41 EDT, you write:
<< ta >>
One other thing my daughter's eyes jiggled too before her surgery.
They
don't hardly at all anymore. The only thing I can say to
anyone is that if
something seems different, push the doctors to get it checked.
I wrote here
two 1/2 months ago that I was getting worried that my daughters head
was
growing rapidly because she was growing out hats within weeks.
But that
doctors said her MRI two months prior was fine. A couple
family members got
a chuckle over my hat theory. Well three weeks before her next
scheduled MRI
her brain had grown rapidly. The worse I guess that can
happen is that the
hospital staff thinks your pushing or neurotic. Who cares.
Regarding Samantha's eye I had to cancell her eye appointment for her
cranial
surgery and we are rescheduled for tomorrow. We'll
see.
Keep us informed Karin about Mason.
Love, Lsia Guyette
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Frank,
My 25 cents we as a family have been to the Falls in two ocasions and
are
planning to go again next month. They are a great place to visit with
your own
family. But it is not a good place for a reunion each family
will be scattered
wanting to do different things so it kind of defeats the purpose of
having a
reunion doesn't it?? This year in Myrtle Beach there was almost
60 people,
picture just that amount (next year prabably more) trying to get together
and do
something productive at the falls, it just can't happen at least not
in an
organized manner. Where as staying at a hotel at the beach if
our kids get tired
of hanging out you can take them in for a nap one parent stays up with
them while
the other stays with the rest of the gang and vice versa. You
know our kids
don't take too kindley to the sun and need a break ever so often, it
would be
kind of difficult if you are in the middle of the Maiden of the Mist
ride....
Just my 25 cents...
Raquel Miller..
Frank & Annette Contrino wrote:
> >Just a quick comment on NIagara Falls. They are beautiful. I went
there when
> >I was a teenager to visit a friend. But as far as a vacation with
children
> >this is not a good place. I personally thought the Beach was a great
place.
> >Because there aren't many kids that don't love the water. Just my
2 cents
> >worth.
>
> Christy,
>
> Just curious...
> What makes you say Niagara Falls is not a good place for a vacation
with
> children???
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Hi Tamra, My Name is Maxine Reed and Iam 45 years old with Aperts. I
am
sorry to say that I don't live in Norfolk Va. but if your brother and
his
wife want to talk to me they can, They can eather E-mail me at
rreed@cableone.net or call me at (209)524-2141. I too live in Calif.
I live
in Modesto Calif. to be exact. I am not sure but I do think there are
some
familys here that are close in Norfolk, Va. Just give them a chance
and they
will answer. But in the mean time you can talk to me. Well I got go.
Talk to
you later. Maxine Reed Oh Yes Welcome to the family you'll find this
a great
place to find some help and some info.
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Welcome Tamra,
We don't live near your family. But this is a great place to learn.
We were
told some things by the Doctors. But this List Serv is a very learning
and
supportive enviroment. I hope your brother and his wife will join after
things settle down. Congratulations to your family. I am sure this
baby will
bring much joy to your lives, as Carlee ( daughter 13 mos. w/ aperts)
has
brought to ours. Take care and keep in touch.
Cristy and Carlee
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Tamra,
My son, Kieran, was born 3/17/99 with Apert's. All of us here
know what they
are going through. Do they have internet access? If so,
they would be
welcomed here with open arms, as we were. You are more than welcome
to ask
any questions here that you may have as well. Someone is almost
always able
to provide an answer.
While I don't live near your brother and sister-in-law, I would be more
than
happy to help in any way I can. My phone number is: (810) 463-1952,
e-mail
is: gnsroehl@flash.net. Snail mail is: 58 Eastman St.,
Mt. Clemens, MI
48043-2527.
Good Luck to your family. You'll all be in my thoughts.
Sherry Roehl - mom to Kieran-3mos w/Apert's, Laney-4 w/CVS & Bailey-7
The Scroggins Family wrote:
> My nephew was born today 7/12/99 with Aperts Syndrome. I live in San
Diego
> Ca and can't be with them. My brother and his wife, Heather, really
need
> someone to talk to. If any of you live near the Norfolk VA area they
could
> use some support. We are all trying to learn as much as we can about
this
> syndrome.
> Thanks for any help that you may be able to give us.
>
> Tamra
> a very worried aunt.
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Hi Tamra,
My name is Judy Amerman and I have a beautiful son, nine years old with
aperts. Trust me, when he was first born, i thought my world
was coming to
an end. Instead I wound up with alot more sunshine.
You have a right to be worried, we have all been there and sometimes
still
are there. Aperts is very scary, it is not as if every
doctor and everyone
know about apert. but let me tell you, this is a great place
to be to get
your fears rested and questions answered. But more and more people
are
getting educated on this everyday.
My son Nick is a very active nine year old, he swims and rides
a bike and
can do anything he sets his mind to do. Mentally he is very bright
if it is
something he wants to do but he does struggle some in school. Most
people
who knows Nick feels that he is about as normal as apple pie.
Yes, I am sure he has given me alot of grey hairs but it is not from
the
aperts but from being just an active nine year old boy.
with your nephew being so young, there will be alot to endure, many
surgeries his first few years but as he gets older they will eventually
taper off.
Unfortunately we live in illinois but our support for your family is
very
strong. Hopefully your family will subscribe to this listserv.
We have
lots of families here with babies. And adults too for that matter.
i know that this letter will not take your fears and sorrow away but
please
remember that everyone here has worn the same shoes as your brother.
And i
am sure that we all remember the shock and hurt we felt, but every
family
here can tell you just how great our kids are.
Personally, I have met roughly 20 apert families in the last nine years,
kids ranging in age to newborn to 45. I am very proud to say
that our apert
adults are very inspiring people. Some are married, some are
college grads,
alot have jobs and are self supporting.
Good luck to your family,
Judy Amerman
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> My nephew was born today 7/12/99 with Aperts Syndrome. I live in San
Diego
> Ca and can't be with them. My brother and his wife, Heather, really
need
> someone to talk to. If any of you live near the Norfolk VA area they
could
> use some support. We are all trying to learn as much as we can about
this
> syndrome.
> Thanks for any help that you may be able to give us.
>
> Tamra
> a very worried aunt.
>
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Lisa,
Thank you for responding. We took Mason to his pediatrician today.
The
doctor didn't say much, but he scheduled a c-t scan for Mason tomorrow.
His
head is growing quite a bit. He is in the 90th percentile for
head size &
age.
He was in my arms drinking a bottle and his head started shaking back
and
forth, then his arm. I freaked out, pulled the bottle out of
his mouth, he
started crying, and then he took a nap for awhile. He's
been fine since
then.
I'm going to call his cranio-facial surgeon tomorrow & see what he thinks.
Thank you Dori & Amy for your input on this scary matter.
I appreciate it
very much.
Sincerely,
Karin -- 5 month old Mason's mom
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Welcome Nathan and his family. I couldn't put it any better
than Judy did.
We are the Krebs family, Brian, Janine Nicholas and Emily, 2 years
old with
Apert. To say we were scared when Emily was born is an understatement.
I
can honestly say that Emily is the best thing that has ever happened
to our
family and extended family as well. We've been through a lot
of surgeries
and still have more to get through, but when she smiles at me or say
"love
you" it melts my heart.
This listserve has literally gotten me through and I encourage your
family to
subscribe, if possible. It's a wonderful support system full
of knowledge
and help.
Best wishes again on the birth of Nathan.
Janine Krebs
(New York)
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Hi Everyone:
I would like to congratulate Jake on walking. It's a big step.
I know it
seemed like it took Emily forever (21 months) to walk. It's only
been a
couple of months, but it's great.
Kris: Hoping that your surgery went well and you are recovering easily.
An update from New York: Emily had her fourth hand surgery on
Friday, 7-9 as
well as her eye muscle surgery. She came through like a trooper
as usual,
just a little cranky and her sleep is all out of whack. That
seems to be the
norm after surgery. She finally has some teeth coming in.
(She will be 2 on
the 26th). So she is dealing with teething at the same time as
her eyes,
hand and groin area healing. Poor thing.
I know I asked this before but do any of the kids have a reaction to
loud
noises like the vacuum after surgery? Emily is petrified of the
dustbuster
or vacuum for like a week or two after the past two surgeries.
I keep
wondering if there is a loud suction or vacuum in the OR that she is
remembering?
Anyway, our house is under construction as well, so being at work is
a
welcome relief.
Lynn, hope you are adjusting well to being a mom of two. It took me a while.
Hope all is well with everyone and you are enjoying the summer.
Janine Krebs
(New York)
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> or vacuum for like a week or two after the past two surgeries.
I keep
> wondering if there is a loud suction or vacuum in the OR that she
is
> remembering?
OR suction doesn't generally sound a thing like vacuum
cleaners
-- the tubing is attached to a tap at the wall, much like the oxygen
ports. I don't think a 2 year old would make the connection between
that and a vacuum or dustbuster, but you never know. It's more
likely that there is some OTHER noise in the OR, post-anesthesia area
or ICU that reminds her of it. Key candidates are monitor and
ventilator alarms. They can be pretty obnoxious.
Judy
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Don
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From: beth crowell [mailto:bbc@merrywing.com]
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To: anxiety-request@home.ease.lsoft.com; apert-request@listserv.aol.com;
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Dear List Owner,
The following URL announces a new Policy Brief containing information
of
interest to people in the disabilities community. Please consider
forwarding this information to your list(s) if you think it might be
valuable to your members. Thanks!
Beth Crowell
Merrywing Corporation
===============================
MCARE, the Clearinghouse on Managed Care and Long-Term disabilities,
has
just added another policy brief online. The title of the newest document
is "Participant-Driven Supports: Frequently Asked Questions And
Responses". The Table of Contents is available at
http://www.mcare.net/briefs/pbrief4/SHORT.html and the entire document
is online at http://www.mcare.net/briefs/pbrief4/pbrief4.html
The questions asked touch on a number of areas, such as the capacity
of
individuals to play empowered roles, mechanical "how to" issues,
financing and cost, and impacts on service providers and other system
structures. Professionals, self-advocates, and advocates alike have
been
working to resolve these issues, putting the puzzle pieces of
participant-driven supports together. While there are no "final"
answers, the intent of this paper is to identify and address some of
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1999 4:13
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Corporation<BR><BR>===============================<BR><BR>MCARE,
the
Clearinghouse on Managed Care and Long-Term disabilities, has just
added another
policy brief online. The title of the newest document is "Participant-Driven
Supports: Frequently Asked Questions And Responses". The Table
of Contents is
available at<BR><BR><U><FONT color=#0000ff><A
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capacity of individuals to play empowered roles, mechanical "how
to" issues,
financing and cost, and impacts on service providers and other system
structures. Professionals, self-advocates, and advocates alike have
been working
to resolve these issues, putting the puzzle pieces of participant-driven
supports together. While there are no "final" answers,
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Hi Janine, So glad to hear that little Emily is doing better. Now I
hope you
can get some much need rest too! Take care and much love Max in very
HOY HOT
Modesto!
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don,
I don't know what you sent but my page is blank!!!
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DEAR TAMRA, I'M SORRY TO HEAR YOUR UPSET ABOUT THE NEPHEW WITH APERTS,
I'M
SURE YOU ALL WILL GET MANY BLESSINGS FOR HIM. THIS IS A GOOD PLACE
TO COME
FOR INFORMATION, THE PEOPLE HERE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT AND CAN TEACH
YOU a
lot ABOUT IT. MY GRANDDAUGHTER IS 13 MOS WITH APERTS AND WE HAD NEVER
HEAD
ABOUT IT UNTIL SHE WAS BORN. WE LOVE HER TO DEATH. LUCKY FOR US AND
HER SHE
DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF THE THINGS WRONG WITH HER THAT SOME OF THE CHILDREN
DO.
I CAN'T TELL YOU MUCH BUT WILL KEEP YOU ALL IN MY PRAYERS. LOVE AND
BEST
WISHES TO THE FAMILY MARILYN P.S. CARLEE, IS OUR BABY'S NAME
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All the necessaries are at http://www.apert.org/listserv.htm
---Don
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Subject: Hi Don
Hi Don,
I've forgotten how to log on to the listserv as a new member. I have
two
friends who would like to know. Can you email them? One is Kate and
she's at
macedakc2@aol.com. The other is Donna and she's at markshea@erols.com.
Thanks
for your help! Jeanne in Boston
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Hi everyone - here is the text version of the message I forwarded
earlier. sorry if the other one blew up your email program!
Don
Dear List Owner,
The following URL announces a new Policy Brief containing information
of
interest to people in the disabilities community. Please consider
forwarding this information to your list(s) if you think it might be
valuable to your members. Thanks!
Beth Crowell
Merrywing Corporation
===============================
MCARE, the Clearinghouse on Managed Care and Long-Term disabilities,
has
just added another policy brief online. The title of the newest document
is "Participant-Driven Supports: Frequently Asked Questions And
Responses". The Table of Contents is available at
<http://www.mcare.net/briefs/pbrief4/SHORT.html> and the entire document
is online at
http://www.mcare.net/briefs/pbrief4/pbrief4.htmlThe questions asked
touch on a number of areas, such as the capacity of individuals to
play
empowered roles, mechanical "how to" issues, financing and cost, and
impacts on service providers and other system structures. Professionals,
self-advocates, and advocates alike have been working to resolve these
issues, putting the puzzle pieces of participant-driven supports
together. While there are no "final" answers, the intent of this paper
is to identify and address some of the questions currently raised about
participant-driven supports.
<http://www.mcare.net/briefs/pbrief4/pbrief4.html>
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Tamra-
Please feel free to pass on my home number to your family. I have
a son born
on 12/6/96 with Apert syndrome and have been through the same thing
they are
now. This listserver was the best source of information and support
when I
was first learning about the syndrome and I urge them to join our group
if
and when they are able.
There are also various support groups around the country that have
newsletters, etc.
My name is Brenda Siebert and my son's name is Jonathan. I live
in Houston,
TX and my phone number is 281-360-8573. If they have access to
email my
address is GSieb91515@aol.com.
Our son is truly a blessing in our lives and I know your nephew will
be too.
There are lot's of decisions to make and getting as much information
as
possible is my best advice. Please let me know if I can help.
Brenda
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Hello Tamra,
My name is Patti. I live in San Bernardino and drive down to
San Diego
Children's Hospital for my daughter, Jasmyn's, medical treatments.
She is
also seen at Loma Linda Medical center. While I am not anywhere
close to VA,
I'd be happy to talk with you if you'd like. Jasmyn is now eleven
and doing
very well. When she was born her father and I both went through
the darkest
times of our lives. I know that having someone who "actually"
had
information, rather than reading from a medical journal would have
helped
very much :) As we are not too far from each other, I know several
other
families near by, if your ever interested in meeting a few of the children
with Aperts, who are in Jasmyn's age range, we'd be happy to arrange
something. Just let me know. My e-mail address is patbrat718@aol.com.
At
your disposal :)
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"David D Baysingar" <david_d_baysingar@em.fcnbd.com>,
"Dad & Mom Baysingar"
<patlarry@netins.net>,
"Collette Kunz" <CKUNZ@POTANDON.COM>,
"Chris & Kelly Duncan"
<chrisduncan@stellar.net>,
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Subject: Fw: Please read and pass on
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:05:37 +1000
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Do Not Download: Y2KFIX.EXE
>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>> It will come to you as.......
>> "America Online
Year 2000 Update"
>> it will have
a
>> File:
Y2KFIX.EXE (41229 bytes)
>> DL Time (115200
bps): < 1 minute
>>
>> DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT, ITS A VIRUS .
>> 1) IF AOL WANTED TO UPDATE YOUR SYSTEM, THEY WOULD
>> DO IT WHILE YOU WERE ONLINE, NOT THIS WAY
>> 2) IF AOL WERE TO DO IT THIS WAY THEY WOULD JUST
SEND
>> YOU AN EMAIL TO CONTACT THEIR WEBSIGHT AND THEN
>> DOWNLOAD THE NECESSARY FILE
>>
>> FORWARD TO "TOSEMAIL1"
>> THE REST OF IT GOES AS FOLLOWS:
>>
>> Hello, I am Richard Brunner of the AOL TECH Team
and we have recently
>> finished work on this project which is the AOL Year 2000 Update.
The
>function
>> of this program is to make your AOL version completely compatible
with
the
>> year 2000 bugs that will occur on most computers. This program will
work
>on
>> Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98, and Macintosh. It has been
made to
be
>as
>> user-friendly as possible. You just have to:
>> 1. Double click on the icon
>> 2. Restart your computer
>> and your computer and AOL will automatically be
updated. If you
>experience
>> any problems with this file please report them to this e-mail address.
>>
>> Thanks for your time,
>> Richard Brunner
>> AOL Tech Staff
>> emp#104586027 >>
>>
>
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From: "Brent E. Young"
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Subject: [Fwd: ]Mother in Law's Wisdom
Comments: To: "Elliston, Keith & Michelle" <Elliston@pacbell.net>,
Benny &
Debbie Hopper <BEHOPNC@aol.com>,
Bob & Cheryl
Pettis <drbob28@mciworld.mci.com>,
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Subject: Humor: Comic Relief on Aging
>Thought you each would enjoy these words of wisdom.
>Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.
>You're getting old when you get the same sensation from a rocking
chair
that you once got from a roller coaster.
>Perhaps you know shy women over fifty don't have babies, they would
put
them down somewhere and forget where they left them.
>One of life's mysteries is how a two pound box of candy can make a
person
gain five pounds.
>My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely.
>Every time I think about exercise, I lie down till the thought goes
away.
>God put me on earth to accomplish a certain number of things.
Right now,
I am so far behind, I will live forever.
>Its frustrating when you know all the answers, but nobody bothers
to ask
you the questions.
>I finally got my head together, and my body fell apart.
>There cannot be a crisis this week; my schedule is already full.
>Time may be a great healer, but it's also a lousy beautician.
>The older you get, the tougher it is to lose weight, because by then
your
body and your fat are really good friends.
>Age doesn't always bring wisdom. Sometimes age comes alone.
>Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.
>I don't mind the rat race, but I could do with a little more cheese.
>Amazing! You just hang something in your closet for a while,
and it
shrinks two sizes.
>It is bad to suppress laughter; it goes back down and spreads to your
hips.
>Freedom of the press means no-iron clothes.
>Inside some of us is a thing person struggling to get out, but they
can
usually be sedated with a few slices of chocolate cake.
>Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it.
>The four stages of life:
l) You believe in Santa Claus.
2)You don't believe in Santa Claus.
3)You are Santa Claus
4)You look like Santa Claus
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Subject: [Fwd: ]Go PC lovers!!!!
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Subject: Jock vs Nerd
>
> The answer to the eternal question "Is it better to be a jock or
a nerd?",
> I submit the following:
> Michael Jordan makes over $300,000 a game. That = $10,000 a
minute, at an
> average 30 minutes per game. With $40 million in endorsements,
he makes
> $178,100 a day, working or not.
> If he sleeps 7 hours a night, he makes $52,000 every night while
visions
> of sugarplums dance in his head.
> If he goes to see a movie, it'll cost him $7.00, but he'll make $18,550
> while he's there.
> If he decides to have a 5 minute egg, he'll make $618 while boiling
it.
> He makes $7,415/hr more than minimum wage.
> He'll make $3,710 while watching each episode of Friends.
> If he wanted to save up for a new Acura NSX ($90,000) it would take
him a
> whole 12 hours.
> If someone were to hand him his salary and endorsement money, they
would
> have to do it at the rate of $2.00 every second.
> He'll probably pay around $200 for a nice round of golf, but will
be
> reimbursed $33,390 for that round.
> Assuming he puts the federal maximum of 15% of his income into a
tax
> deferred account (401k), he will hit the federal cap of $9500 at
8:30 a.m.
> on January 1st.
> If you were given a penny for every 10 dollars he made, you'd be
living
> comfortably at $65,000 a year.
> He'll make about $19.60 while watching the 100 meter dash in the
Olympics.
> He'll make about $15,600 during the Boston Marathon.
> While the common person is spending about $20 for a meal in his trendy
> Chicago restaurant, he'll pull in about $5600.
> This year, he'll make more than twice as much as all U.S. past presidents
> for all of their terms combined.
> Amazing isn't it?
> However, if Jordan saves 100% of his income for the next 250 years,
he'll
> still have less than Bill Gates has today.
> GAME OVER. NERD WINS.
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THANKS FOR THE WELL WISHES !! EVERYONE SEEMED TO BE DOING BETTER AND
I HAVE
THE COPIES MADE OF THE PICTURES TO SEND OUT! THINGS ARE FINALLY
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LOVE
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Karin I am Stephanie Tingley my daughter Carroline is 14 months and
we have
been thinking about getting a second opinion on her hands. Are
you pleased
with Dr. Fearon and have you seen any of his work? We have also
thought
about checking with Dr. Salyer for her cranial. Where do you
live? We
live in Illinois so we would have to fly. Fighting with the Insurance
right now trying to get them to pay so we can go. Thanks
Stephanie &
Carroline 217-269-3264
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> From: Karin Pittman <KMea854818@AOL.COM>
> To: APERT@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
> Subject: seisures
> Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 7:34 PM
>
> I don't write very often--I've been busy with work and stuff, but
my son
> Mason had a brief seisure today. It lasted about 10 or
15 seconds.
He's
> never had one before. I called the doctor and she said to call
back if
it
> happened again. Mason is 5 months old, awaiting his first cranial
surgery.
> Our Dr. Fearon in Dallas has us waiting until he needs his first
forehead
> advancement, so I'm wondering if this is a sign that he may need
his
surgery
> soon.
>
> Has anyone had this happen?
>
> Thank you,
> Karin Pittman, mom of Mason Pittman